Laci's things in tug of war

The Modesto Bee ^ | May 31, 2003 | Garth Stapely and John Cote'

[Howlin]

The wicker chairs were given to Laci in a will from her grandmother.

[Howlin]

Laci Peterson (news - web sites)'s mother won permission yesterday from her former in-laws to visit her daughter's house, sit in the chair Laci bought to rock baby Conner and feel the presence of her dead daughter.

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When she leaves, Sharon Rocha will take with her dozens of her daughter's possessions, including her wedding dress.

Rocha got the go-ahead after weeks of bitter fighting with her daughter's former in-laws over access to the Modesto, Calif., house that Laci shared with her husband until she disappeared around Christmas Eve, according to lawyers for the Rocha family.

"Sharon was notified last night by the [Stanislaus County district attorney's] office that she can go in on Tuesday," lawyer Albert Clark told the Daily News.

The family wanted several of Laci's personal items, including jewelry, her journals, the crib, a glass memento box containing sea shells and a set of salt and pepper shakers shaped like snails, Clark said.

"More importantly to Laci's family," a statement from the Rochas' lawyers said, "is the opportunity to be inside Laci's home. ... They need to have the freedom and opportunity to sit in her chair that she used to sit in, to walk on the floor that she used to walk on, to sit in Conner's room in the rocking chair Laci had purchased to rock him in, and just to have the opportunity to feel her presence."

Jackie Peterson, Scott Peterson (news - web sites)'s mother, said she had tried to call the Rochas but they wouldn't return her phone calls.

She also said she had been inside the house recently, but only to "keep it clean." Originally published on May 30, 2003

[Sacajaweau]

If given to her by a will, the chair is Laci's and Laci's alone.

[oceanperch]

Rochas' speak up on Greta. They are ticked whose to say that they are not giving partial truths. Trying to play the Petersons game.

Just because Sharan Rocha says it does not mean it the actual going on behind the scene.

We are not supposed to do things according to our mental state on avoidance of the law. Or so I have been told.

[Howlin]

Exactly.

As were the Tiffany lamps and the diamond ring.

[Howlin]

At the risk of being redundant, I just want it on record that there was NO deal. The DA was the one who told Sharon she could go in on Tuesady, NOT Geragos.

[RGSpincich]

Now it makes more sense, thanks.

[Sacajaweau]

I think you will find the same for "gifts" which were given to Laci. They revert to the giver, not her husband. My girlfriend went through one "nasty" circumstance. Certain "gifts" from her family she was able to retain including a $7000 China Cabinet (family heirloom). The Judge ruled that it was intended to stay in her family and her's alone. Her duaghter now has it.

[RGSpincich]

That's exactly what we needed! Good catch.

[Howlin]

I knew I heard him say it on TV; I just wanted to find it in writing.

He NEVER said that there was an agreement. Ever.

[oceanperch]

Your right we do not know. I was talking about the two rataan chairs.

You say you have been in Probate for 17yrs. Regardless of how bad the behaviour of one side over the other isn't the bottom line that all involved follow court probate.

How would your firm deal with client A doing what the Rocha's did? Is that not why we have a probate to keep things civil.

No I am not saying power of of Attn. gave Petersons any rights to property.

This should been addressed by the courts if the two families were going to feud. Right or wrongly feuding.

Laci's tragic murder does not entitle her family to do things out of legal juristiction. It would have been wonderful for Jackie/Scaught Peterson to say we agree take what you feel will give you comfort but they didn't and it stinks. They are bad charactors and heartless but it still does not give the other side to disobey the State of California's probate system.

[daylate-dollarshort]

Just a quick glane through the ones I could readily pull up were the teenage type who said they murdered for Satan.

Let's see. There were murders committed; The murderers claimed they were committed in the name and/or for Satan; The murderers certainly believe in and have some sort of allegience to Satan.

I kinda believe that they can be called Satanists.

What is your point? Teenagers cannot be Satanists??? Maybe their claims were somehow just poor jokes??? I wonder if the people they killed in the name of-- or for Satan would agree with you?

I suggest you research the Modesto Bee's reporting of the Satanic murders which occurred about 6 miles north of Modesto. It wasn't one or two, it wasn't even a group of four as the Satanic murder in San Louis Obispo was. It was a named group with many members. Two were charged with the actual killing and several more were charged with conspiracy to murder.

As I posted before, I recognize the quality of the Rense site. I didn't accept Rense as a source, I went directly to the publications and verified the published information for myself.

"If they are so rare then why are you able to come up with a long list of teenagers who participated in Satanic killings? Why? Because there are no standards applied ..."

First I didn't say they were rare. I said Dr. Lee said that he has seen them and characterized them as rare. I don't have any idea how common they are and neither do you. I do know that in a relatively short time, I was able to verify reports of a couple of dozen Satanic killings in the US alone, and so far even more outside of this country. Based upon what I found, I would have to say Brazil is probably the leader in Satanic killings.

What standards do you suggest are applied? If the murderer states that the reason he butchered someone was for Satan or in the name of Satan, just who the hell are we to say nope, doesn't meet the standard? That he dressed up Hollywood horror movie style? Maybe it's only a Satanic killing if if a pipe organ is playing a funeral dirge in the background?

What's wrong with the standard that the murderer him or her self place on the act---"I DID IT FOR SATAN!" "I DID IT IN THE NAME OF SATAN!!"

You seem to indicate that you believe that all of these reports only involve teenagers. That is untrue. I have found descriptions of Satanic killings committed by 40 year olds, 50 year olds even one case where the perpetrator was in his 70's. Most are committed by younger people BECAUSE THEY GET CAUGHT and taken out of circulation.

Where is it written that a Satanic killing has to be done by a group? If so, how big does the group have to be, in your opinion? Maybe the group has to be able to fill the Crystal Cathedral!?

An individual cannot be a Satanist??

[oceanperch]

It still should have been decided in probate. Like I told Canadian O it would of been great for Scott to give permission to allow them to go in and take what would comfort them but he said no. I then would go to probate.

Maybe I will start getting emotional about the retirees in my community and when they pass on just go in and take a few items I cherish. Who cares about following probate laws.

The Petersons are cruel greedy people and they IMO should have to wait for probate too.

The house should have been sealed off a long time ago from all parties.

Now maybe others will follow suit in California. Hey the Rocha's did it with no recourse..Can you imagine the fueds that would set off and may even involve uncivility with heated tempers and someone getting killed.

I am no fan of courts and the costs and do not plan on dying soon but my family has a notarized will for each of us and paid an attn to make it all legal it did not cost a fortune to do the consequenses if we didn't would be a mess.

[Howlin]

I'm sorry; if they went to probate, there would be nothing left. The Petersons were already moving stuff out of that house.

[Canadian Outrage]

I agree that the ESTATE should be dealt with by Court Probate. However, I know that ALL of the Wills we prepare, have a clause in them in which the person may make specific bequests to certain people OR they make reference to specific bequests of items to be disbursed as set out as "contained in a list attached to this my Last Will and Testament". If the Peterson's were normal people, NONE of this would have happened. They would have been more than willing to let Sharon go into the house, grieve in her own way, and then take specific items of Laci's that were important to Laci and now important to her mom. I didn't say it was strictly legally right but I notice that Geragos is smart enough to now say that nothing will come of it. The DIFFERENCE in these two families has been Stark. The Rocha's are in no way deceitful, greedy or criminal people. To have to haggle to get a few things of your dead daughter's is criminal to me.

[Canadian Outrage]

I have a statement and question: Firstly, we ALL know that there are plenty of Satanic Murders, however, No Satanic group goes to the pains that the murderer of Laci did, to hide the evidence. They kill, have their ceremony and usually leave the evidence in the woods at the place of their sick ceremony. Secondly, Could you possibly be a plant here from Geragos? You are one of the most contrary on this board to date. It is anything but edifying.

[BunnySlippers]

I kinda believe that they can be called Satanists.

Well, we disagree then. If some kids playing dungeons and dragons say they killed in the name of satan are not Satanists in my mind. They are punks who are doing random killings (which may have been what happened to Laci).

What is your point? Teenagers cannot be Satanists??? Maybe their claims were somehow just poor jokes??? I wonder if the people they killed in the name of-- or for Satan would agree with you?

Funny you should put it that way. I see "Satanic killings" being like making a subgroup for so-called "hate crimes". People may have been murdered at random or to satisfy some punk's need to "know how it feels" but "Satanic"? I don't think so. Murder is murder.

As I posted before, I recognize the quality of the Rense site. I didn't accept Rense as a source, I went directly to the publications and verified the published information for myself.

You posted Rense word for word.

Bottom line, I'm just not willing to think that people who claim to be Satanic killers are indeed what they say they are. I would be impressed if you were able to pinpoint some covens or Satanic groups who actually DO Satanic killings ... not copy from a psychic phenomenon site.

[Canadian Outrage]

Howlin - have you EVER seen a Peterson shed a tear since this tragic event? EVER? I haven't! Their talk is real cheap but their actions and lack of same, speak volumes.

[Carolinamom]

I heard the Rocha's attorney make that statement. The reporter specifically asked him about the Tuesday time when the Rochas were to go into Laci's house. The attorney said there was no Tuesday deal....."the furtherest thing from the truth". (his exact words)

[RGSpincich]

Rochas' speak up on Greta. They are ticked whose to say that they are not giving partial truths. Trying to play the Petersons game.

You may not agree with them or think that people should be free to donate towards paying their bills, but that's no reason to say they might be lying. At least they are not asking the taxpayers to support them because of a disability.