Eric Rudolph Captured

CNN | May 31,2003 | Vinnie

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"50/50 (within the margin of error) according to every major poll conducted in the last three years."

You forgot to mention that 75%, according to those same polls, favor at least SOME legalized abortion, and a like number DO NOT view the procedure as murder. Nice try.

"I'll take the blame for the actions of one lone nut as soon as anyone on your side takes responsibility for the slaughter of more than 40,000,000 living human beings."

And I'll rejoice the day one of YOUR side can get through an entire sentence without tossing around this or other wild, unprovable figures and crazed, inflammatory rhetoric. It's gotten quite boring, you know. The intended shock value has worn off.

[ApesForEvolution]

Insightful to see how thin the veils truly are when rubber meets the road, ain't it? Without condoning the killing of murderers, yet speaking on behalf of innocent life being murdered all in the name of so-called 'majorities' with murderous, self-centered lust in their hearts and 'law' in their corner for the time being.

God's speed and g'night...

[ApesForEvolution]

"According to "Thy shall not kill" I would have to say yes"

You might be interested to note that the original Hebrew was and still is "Thou shall not MURDER - and was our President wrong in offing over (estimated) 100,000 Iraqis in Sodom's guard, let alone an estimated 1,200 'innocent' Iraqis (and counting)?

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Of course. The zealots simply LOVE to use terms like "murderer" and "serial killer" to refer to abortion providers, when those terms do not even approach accuracy in describing the above. They sound good, though, and that's what they want. Trouble is, the psychopathic bombers and shooters out there don't quite know that it's a rhetorical gimmick, and act on it.

It's the same way when they make up words, like "abortuary" or "aborticide".

In truth, terms like "serial killer" and "murder" have very clear, specific definitions which are lightyears away from those the zealots use. Having studied crime in general for many years, the misuse of the terms is particularly galling to me, as it cheapens them.

Hope that helps.

[ApesForEvolution]

"You forgot to mention that 75%, according to those same polls, favor at least SOME legalized abortion, and a like number DO NOT view the procedure as murder. Nice try."

Nice try?? You just envoked the 'might is right' clause. Nice try. That's not the first time in history it's been used to murder people that were 'inconvenient'...

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Again with the "murder" term.

Sigh.

[ApesForEvolution]

I call it how I see it.

Murdering unborn people is what it is, whether you, 9 USSC justices or 99.9999% of all people agree or not.

I sit on a chair, but you insist that I'm standing. Who's being honest and who isn't? You parse (benefit of the doubt) and I don't.

Abortion is murder, whether you agree or not.

[Cathryn Crawford]

It helps, some. So what would you call abortionists?

I ask not to DISAGREE, but to find out your point of view.

[ApesForEvolution]

Are the soldiers who fired the munitions that killed Sodom's guard and 'innocents' going to answer for it?

And, if they believed it was wrong and immoral, would they be acting immorally in preventing, by force of death, others from doing so?

[WarSlut]

You forgot to mention that 75%, according to those same polls, favor at least SOME legalized abortion, and a like number DO NOT view the procedure as murder. Nice try.

Thanks. Nice downgrade. Minutes ago you were crowing about the majority of Americans favoring legalized abortion, now you're hanging you hat on the number who favor a rape/incest exemption. Rape and incest account for under 2% of all abortions in the U.S. Sounds like most Americans find 98% of the abortions performed in this country unacceptable.

And I'll rejoice the day one of YOUR side can get through an entire sentence without tossing around this or other wild, unprovable figures and crazed, inflammatory rhetoric.

Of course you'll rejoice when we stop telling you of the slaughter you and your ilk enable. Nobody likes to be nagged.

It's gotten quite boring, you know.

Uh-huh. That's why you're here responding to every post.

[MHGinTN]

serial \sir-e-el\ adj 1 : appearing in parts that follow regularly 2 : effecting a series of similar acts over a period of time ... a ~ killer; also : occurring in such a series serially adv (C) 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary (C) 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

I have used the term correctly. You might note that I didn't assert serial murderers, because that is a legal terminology cannoting legally defined criminal behavior. Aborticutionists are, to our great American shame, still legal serial killers.

[ApesForEvolution]

Not always. And killing someone, if a last resort, before they murder, is a perspective that can easily be understood, even if it's not condoned. Right or wrong?

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They are physicians who provide a truly sad, but sometimes necessary medical procedure. According to the law, and to my own personal way of looking at the world (for what that's worth), they are hardly "murderers".

And despite the rhetoric to the contrary, I'm sure few indeed salivate over and relish their sad task. It's never the result of good fortune.

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"That's why you're here responding to every post."

Hey, you finally made a point I agree with. I should take my own advice, this debate is pointless.

You may ignore me at any time you wish.

[Kryptonite]

Perhaps those miracles of life that are doomed ... and He's better than even that Alan Greenspan at forecasting future events ... are not given soulful humanity to be lost....We don't know...

If "we" means the US gov., then "we" pretend to know by legalizing ending life. If "we" means US citizens, then why should anyone believe the gov. knows which souls are destined for "doom" and which are not, and thereby enabling the sealing of their fate?

I agree with your basic position that if Rudolph did what he's alleged to have done, he deserves punishment. But it is precisely cases like these that make me think very hard about death penalties.

This thread has been revealing, but no American, and certainly no Christian, should ever attempt to justify the Olympic bombing, or exonerate the perp, in legal or religious terms, because of his or her political and/or religious beliefs. There is no way in heck that I believe that God would allow me into heaven if I was the perp here, unless I later came to seek absolution and by His grace received it. But I wouldn't cry foul if I was forced to seek that absolution as a lifer in San Quentin.