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Miss a payment and your car may die
KFXO-TV ^ | 5/15/03

Posted on 05/24/2003 4:26:04 AM PDT by Dane

Miss a payment and your car may die

Imagine getting in your car and it won't start. The situation would be aggravating for most, but for hundreds of thousands of Americans it could simply mean their car payment is overdue. A growing number of car dealers are using starter stoppers technology to ensure you don't get lax on your loan.

Macy Pearson loves the used car she just bought, but it will only start if she's made her car payment. Nestled under her dash is a device called a starter interrupt system. If Macy doesn't pay, the device is set to disable her car so she can't drive.

Macy's salesman insisted she have it, since she has no credit history. Once Macy sends in her payment, she's given a code number to input into a remote that connects to a device underneath the dash. "I stick it right in here. You punch in your code, you hear another little chirp and you're done," explains Macy, as she easily connects the device that will allow her car to run for another week.

Mike Simon's company, Payment Protection Systems, made the device in Macy's car and some 60,000 others bought at corner used car lots and dealerships alike. He says the device protects dealers from credit risks. "The people know that they have to make their payment and they really do perform in making their payments on time," says Simon. "Our delinquency rate was probably up around ten to twenty percent without the device. And since then, it's dropped down below two percent," says car dealer Steve Matthews about using the device with costumers.

It may be good for dealers, but what about drivers. Not everyone's sold on the idea of no cash no dash. Jack Gillis of the Consumer Federation of America has written a book about buying a car. He says the devices could put customers at risk. "You might be in a situation where you are in an unsafe position, and you need to get out of there quickly, and you can't do it," says Gillis about the pitfalls of such a device.

But device makers say cars won't stop while in motion they just won't start once they're turned off. Even then, drivers like Macy can call their salesmen for an emergency code that is good for 24 hours. Dealers also insist everyone is told about the service before they buy, and device makers like Stan Schwarz says drivers are warned before the "kill."

Manufacturers say the technology can make the difference between getting a car and walking on foot for many. But critics say customers don’t always leave the car lot with a better price, or better financing if they have the device. It turns out cars may not be the only things fitted with those kill chips. Look for them to turn up in computers, air conditioners, and yes, even TV's.

Macy's no critic, she's grateful for the opportunity to buy a car and working hard to get a solid credit history started. To her, that device under her dash is a dose of discipline. "It really helps because it makes you pay on time."


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To: tuna_battle_slight_return
"It's an insult to the person who's giving their business to the dealership."

No it isn't. This is not the customer with good credit or even shaky credit. This is for downright deadbeats. For them the only choice is "the payment book or the bus schedule." No one forces them to buy. No one should force dealers or banks to take the risk involved in dealing with this type of clientele.

61 posted on 05/24/2003 8:09:35 AM PDT by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: LaraCroft
"They should at least receive average to low rates since the risk is so much lower to the car dealer."

There is always the risk that the customer and the car will disappear altogether or will be trashed when it is found. Even with a new car and a good customer, there is that risk. That's why a 5 year car loan bears a higher interest rate than a 30 year home mortgage. (Where 0% or special low rate financing is offered, the vehicle manufacturer pays the financing branch the equivalent of the real rate - and not everyone qualifies for those special rates.)

62 posted on 05/24/2003 8:15:16 AM PDT by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Dane
I think it's creepy and fascist.
63 posted on 05/24/2003 8:19:09 AM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Dane
I waiting for Microsoft/Hollywood to invent this. If you buy a computer and download music without paying, your computer crashes. Better yet, they might start to make tvs where if you watch fox news, it shuts down. Or maybe they may start to make car stereos that shut off the ignition if you listen to rush limbaugh.
64 posted on 05/24/2003 8:47:04 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: backlash
How about govt. installing an implantable pacemaker to each child at birth. If you fail to pay your income tax, you heart stops.
65 posted on 05/24/2003 8:50:34 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: John Beresford Tipton
A lot of people don't pay their hospital bills. Maybe it is time for an implantable pace maker on every hospital visit. Then if you don't pay, zap!
66 posted on 05/24/2003 8:52:50 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: GirlShortstop
Just got a new truck and the on/off switch is on the passenger side, but not the driver side. They used to be able to be disconnected pretty easily, although I haven't tried it on the new vehicle.
67 posted on 05/24/2003 8:56:21 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Petronski
The next step is that you can no longer buy anything. You will be able to only buy a "license" to use your tv and you have to send monthly payments for the access codes. Ditto for your refrigerator, computer, camera, etc. If it really catches on, you will no longer be able to buy a car for "cash". You won't even own the car. You will purchase a "license".
68 posted on 05/24/2003 9:01:55 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: DCPatriot
already have that. Even recomended it in a nasty child custody/visitation/support case. Its a watch device which costs around 400.00 dollars and about 20 dollars a month. It will even give you an time interval plot of locations. Its easier than a PI, gives immediat notice if removed, and is offensive as heck to everybody. Oh well that's divorce.
70 posted on 05/24/2003 9:32:42 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: Dane
It seems sound to me, and no one is forced to accept such a device. If it were a government program I might have a problem with it, but as it is free enterprise, no problem.
71 posted on 05/24/2003 9:35:07 AM PDT by LibKill (MOAB, the greatest advance in Foreign Relations since the cat-o'-nine-tails!)
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To: whereasandsoforth
coming soon, don't pay you monthly computer opperating system license fee, ZAP your computer will not work.
72 posted on 05/24/2003 9:35:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: suijuris
Big Mother is watching you.

Obey Big Mother.

(did you take a sweater, the door to you living cubicle will not open unless you have a sweater. ... and clean underwear, you never know when you might be hit by a bus.)
73 posted on 05/24/2003 9:40:21 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: Dane
You'll probably like it when the mortgage companies do the same thing to new homes. Once out...can't get back in....house fills with some sort of gas like the commies used in Moscow last year.
74 posted on 05/24/2003 10:22:24 AM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: Dane
There is absolutely no way I'd purchase a car with this liability. Ford Credit screwed up our payment one month shortly after we bought a van. They'd keep calling to tell us our payments were behind, we'd fax a copy of the canceled check, they'd call progressive supervisors up the line who would finally admit it was their own problem, not something we'd done, and they'd promise to take care of it and get us off the call list.

I swear we went through this for at least four months, each call from the Ford Credit taking 40-45 minutes to work our way through progressive supervisors, always with the same admission that the problem was not ours, always with the promise we wouldn't be called again.

Finally, they did manage to straighten things out and sent us an apology letter. If the car had refused to start for every phone call, however, I would have been even more royally pi**ed than I already was at the waste of time with each phone call.

75 posted on 05/24/2003 10:29:19 AM PDT by Spyder (Just another day in Paradise)
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To: LaraCroft
The risk isn't really much lower. The same problems exist, and the car is still worth less than what is owed when you reposess it.

This simply changes late payers to prompt payers. It is unlikely to reduce the default rate.
76 posted on 05/24/2003 11:01:41 AM PDT by sharktrager (There are 2 kids of people in this world: people with loaded guns and people who dig.)
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To: Dane
I think it is a sound idea. Helps people keep their obligations and build their credit records.

This could work for doctors and hospitals too. Disable pacemakers when the patient falls behind in his payments.

77 posted on 05/24/2003 11:23:50 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Soddom has left the bunker.)
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To: Mike Darancette
This could work for doctors and hospitals too. Disable pacemakers when the patient falls behind in his payments.

Don't get ludicrous, there is a big difference between a pacemaker and a car and most rational people can see that.

I will ask you also, should the government come in and stop this practice by some car dealerships.

78 posted on 05/24/2003 11:28:17 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Badray
The rates will stay high though for this type of customer, because even if a particular customer finishes paying for their car and establishes credit to qualify for regular financing the next time, there will always be a new supply of customers who need this service.

Doubtful, if the market is as competitive as you say. Sooner or later, someone will figure out that they can drop rates at least somewhat and still maintain the same profit margin by virtue of the fact that they're saving by reducing the expenses incurred by repossessing, reconditioning, and reselling cars - even if it's a constant supply of people with horrible credit walking in your door, this chip is supposed to drastically reduce the likelihood of default. And once one dealer realizes this, their competitors will have little choice but to follow suit. Assuming the market is as competitive as you say, and ths chip actually works as advertised, of course... ;)

79 posted on 05/24/2003 12:09:16 PM PDT by general_re (When you step on the brakes, you're putting your life in your foot's hands...)
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To: Dane
When the tow truck outfits get a hold of the devices, their businesss will boom as everyone calls for a tow. If the dealerships turn off the device, the tow truck guys will trun it right back on again.

And it will be only a matter of minor modifications to be able to stop you car while it is idling at a red light and the bad guys will have you at their mercy.

80 posted on 05/24/2003 12:17:35 PM PDT by Consort
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