Are whites cleverer than blacks?

The Spectator - UK ^ | May 24, 2003 | Sean Thomas

[RudeJude]

Thanks, pretty informative article

[shrinkermd]

This is an excellent review of this topic. He hits all the big names and makes all the points clearly documented in the scientific literature. He does not mention that there are non-psycholotical test ways that correlate with I.Q. --evoked potentials and reaction time are two. This means that you can measure what we call "g" or you call "IQ" by intrutmentation that requires no language skills.

[section9]

Are whites cleverer than blacks?

No.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[quidnunc]

Aristeides wrote: If certain facts that undermine the whole rationale of affirmative action can't be discussed for fear of giving ammunition to critics, then there can be no rational discussion of affirmative action.

You are perfectly right of course, but nevertheless once bitten twice shy.

[aristeides]

50% of all people in the U.S. may be dumber than average, but only about 16% of people have IQ's more than one standard deviation lower than average.

[lelio]

in some countries IQs have risen by 25 points in a single generation.
Democrats left the country, raising the average IQ?

[aristeides]

In a group with IQ's one standard deviation below the average, 16% of the members of that group will have IQ's that are average or higher, and 5% of the members of the group will have IQ's that are at least one standard deviation above the average IQ of the whole population.

[FreedomCalls]

Just remember, 50% of all people in the USA are dumber than average.

That just can't be! I know I have read that 50% of all people in the USA are SMARTER than average and we both can't be right.

;-)

[Eternal_Bear]

The smarter race will prevail in the end. Right now, I'm betting on the Africans who have cleverly convinced the West to feed them indefinitely and to replace them with their immigrants. It's an amazing strategy and it is working.

[sweetliberty]

"I posted this a couple of hours ago and it got deleted PDQ. "

I suspect this thread will diappear. Sometimes FR is more touchy about racial discussions than the ACLU.

[SauronOfMordor]

To wit: right at the bottom of the heap are the impoverished sub-Saharan countries with average IQs of about 60 or 70 (15 or more points lower than the average for blacks in Western countries).

If the average IQ there is 60, the number of people at IQ 100 will be small (5%) and the people at IQ 120 insignificant. You need a certain minimum number of people of decent IQ to compose your professional class, or a modern society cannot operate. It might be that the only way for sub-saharan Africa to function is as a colony

[Cagey]

If the BBC uses "cleverer", it just has to be legitimate.

[BluH2o]

Based on previous posts hard to believe this one hasn't been zapped already ... FR seems very sensitive (or at least was) very sensitive to issues of this sort.

[mrfixit514]

My high school just held awards day. There were literally hundreds of awards given for things like honor roll, attendance, student of the year in each discipline, and many others. Our black population is about 10%. We had 1 black student receive an award and it was for sportsmanship at they y-club basketball tournament.

Now the question is: are all of the approximately 100 faculty members of our school prejudice? Or is it true that our black population does not perform at the same level as our white students?

I have been teaching there for 10 years and we have some good black students. Our black students do not behave like inner city students and some make decent grades. But they sure don't get too excited about anything having to do with academics. And I mean none of them. Not one. I'm just telling it like it is.

[sweetliberty]

"Democrats left the country, raising the average IQ? "

LOL!

[SwinneySwitch]

SAY WHAT?

[gitmo]

Excellent example of the myth of scientific objectivism. I've encountered the same mindsets in other areas of science. Scientists can be more offended than theologians when their dogmas are challenged.

[freekitty]

IQ tests are for the birds. I don't believe that rot.

[Aliska]

I saw a study years and years ago that seemed to indicate that orientals were the brightest, then the Jews, then Caucasians followed by blacks.

I personally think a lot of the problem goes back to early childhood. For children to succeed in school, they don't need headstart programs. It is already too late then.

Children need parents that will speak their native language properly and intelligently; they need parents who teach their children to count; stimulate their interest in nature, art, music, all the basics.

It all begins very early in life in the home. I believe that is why Condoleeza Rice is has been such an achiever; she got it from her parents. I don't know where her parents got it, but they need to be looking at those things.

It's the same with any race. If they aren't encouraged very young in the home with good examples, they are already disadvantaged. There are always exceptions and there will always be slow-learners no matter how intelligent the parents.

I think perhaps that if you swapped babies at birth, my theory would prove out. I'm not recommending that. It's just been my observation that children who don't succeed in school learn it at home.

[freedumb2003]

>> know I have read that 50% of all people in the USA are SMARTER than average and we both can't be right. <<

You are soo right.

Exhibit A: The success of "Survivor"
Exhibit B: The success of "Fear factor"
Exhibit C: The DNC