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The Absurdity of 'Thinking in Language'
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| 1972
| Dallas Willard
Posted on 05/23/2003 3:59:51 PM PDT by unspun
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An objective look into thought and language, subjective to the reality behind the curtain of popular fallacy held by many thinkers and theorists for generations. Sensible as well as logical, I think. Therefore, I'll summon the words to say it is quite thoughtful... well expressed in words, too.
This may not stir a lengthy debate here, but I thought I'd post it as something to refer to from time to time, for the meditation of course. I admit it is "deep." Deeper perhaps than many would want to think....
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posted on
05/23/2003 3:59:51 PM PDT
by
unspun
To: unspun
ROTFLOL,........ROTFLOL,........ROTFLOL,......
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:05:42 PM PDT
by
maestro
To: unspun
How do you take into consideration those people who are telepathic. They have no language, they only have understanding.
To: unspun
I tend to regard thinking as being a pseudo-sensory process. Since verbal language is one form of sensory perception, some thinking can be done in that form. Thinking may also be done in written form, non-linguistic visual forms, musical form, non-musical non-verbal audio forms, tactile forms, etc.
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:11:58 PM PDT
by
supercat
(TAG--you're it!)
To: fifteendogs
Right,......and don't forget the 'Christian Science' scientists.
/sarcasm
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:13:52 PM PDT
by
maestro
To: unspun
Some interesting concepts in this piece though I admit much of it is over my head. I've often wondered if we do sometimes think without symbols. I believe I do in the spatial sense, but not in other areas.
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:15:15 PM PDT
by
Lorianne
To: unspun
that logic is a study of and theory about (some sort of) language Logos - word. Logic - word. Legis - word. Law - word. In the beginning, etc. Law, logic, and word. Same old same-o.
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:17:48 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
To: RightWhale
Right!.......language w/out syntax and inter
personal 'relationships'....!!
/sarcasm
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:20:51 PM PDT
by
maestro
To: unspun
Like a great deal of philosophy, it reminds of a line from Macbeth:
"..it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:23:00 PM PDT
by
expatpat
To: unspun
An objective look into thought and language, If you want objective, read " Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics" by Alfred Korzybski.
This paper is nothing but subjective twaddle.
So9
To: unspun
How come ya didn include da pictuers?
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:23:26 PM PDT
by
per loin
To: laredo44; donh; Doctor Stochastic; RJCogburn; Hank Kerchief; PatrickHenry; LogicWings; spunkets; ...
I thought you might want to give this some thought. You may even wish to find the words to express what you think.
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:24:28 PM PDT
by
unspun
("Do everything in love.")
To: f.Christian
Need your help and insight over here. Are we limited in thinking by our language structure?
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:28:24 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
To: fifteendogs; maestro
fifteendogs: How do you take into consideration those people who are telepathic. They have no language, they only have understanding. I take them into account fairly easily, after a good deal of thought. ;-`
Then what is understanding?
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:30:58 PM PDT
by
unspun
("Do everything in love.")
To: unspun
Shouldn't this be under Breaking News?
;)
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:33:07 PM PDT
by
freedumb2003
(Peace through Strength)
To: unspun
Oops, this is obviously not a Computer Programming Language thread.
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:34:47 PM PDT
by
katnip
(Carry on.)
To: unspun
This illustrates perfectly why I love Nietchze (sp?) and detest the others.
I really like it when he referred to J.S. Mills as a 'blockhead'. My philosophy professor went beserk when I expressed my agreement with the blockhead comment. Being the animal rights person that he was though, he did go on to laud Nietchze for dying in service to his horse.
I'm basically with expat, and Macbeth and all that.
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:36:04 PM PDT
by
AlbionGirl
(A kite flies highest against the wind, not with it. - Winston Churchill)
To: unspun
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:37:22 PM PDT
by
KayEyeDoubleDee
(const vector<tags>& oldTags)
To: RightWhale
See my post 18
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:38:17 PM PDT
by
KayEyeDoubleDee
(const vector<tags>& oldTags)
To: unspun
Deeper perhaps than many would want to think.... I'm thinking about it now and I'm thinking without the use of any language ...... but usually when I do this my Doctors say I'm acting autistic.
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posted on
05/23/2003 4:38:42 PM PDT
by
Mike Darancette
(Soddom has left the bunker.)
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