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To: WhiskeyPapa; jgrubbs
Lee wrote in an 1865 letter that the best relation of white and black was that of master and slave.

Quit spreading lies and half-truths, Walt. That letter you refer to was actually a proposal by Lee to the CSA Congress to begin an emancipation program in exchange for military service.

Only a Lincoln-worshipping south hater of your caliber and dishonesty could take a letter where Lee advocated emancipation and turn it into praise of slavery.

370 posted on 05/15/2003 2:02:51 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
Quit spreading lies and half-truths, Walt. That letter you refer to was actually a proposal by Lee to the CSA Congress to begin an emancipation program in exchange for military service.

Far be it from me to dispute you on what constitutes a half-truth, GOP, but let the letter speak for itself:

HEADQUARTERS ARMY OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA,
January 11, 1865.

Hon. ANDREW HUNTER,
Richmond, Va.:

DEAR SIR: I have received your letter of the 7th instant, and without confining myself to the order of your interrogatories, will endeavor to answer them by a statement of my views on the subject. I shall be most happy if I can contribute to the solution of a question in which I feel an interest commensurate with my desire for the welfare and happiness of our people.

Considering the relation of master and slave, controlled by humane laws and influenced by Christianity and an enlightened public sentiment, as the best that can exist between the white and black races while intermingled as at present in this country, I would deprecate any sudden disturbance of that relation unless it be necessary to avert a greater calamity to both. I should therefore prefer to rely upon our white population to preserve the ratio between our forces and those of the enemy, which experience has shown to be safe. But in view of the preparations of our enemies, it is our duty to provide for continued war and not for a battle or a campaign, and I fear that we cannot accomplish this without overtaxing the capacity of our white population.

Should the war continue under existing circumstances, the enemy may in course of time penetrate our country and get access to a large part of our negro population. It is his avowed policy to convert the able-bodied men among them into soldiers, and to emancipate all. The success of the Federal arms in the South was followed by a proclamation of President Lincoln for 280,000 men, the effect of which will be to stimulate the Northern States to procure as substitutes for their own people the negroes thus brought within their reach. Many have already been obtained in Virginia, and should the fortune of war expose more of her territory, the enemy would gain a large accession to his strength. His progress will thus add to his numbers, and at the same time destroy slavery in a manner most pernicious to the welfare of our people. Their negroes will be used to hold them in subjection, leaving the remaining force of the enemy free to extend his conquest. Whatever may be the effect of our employing negro troops, it cannot be as mischievous as this. If it end in subverting slavery it will be accomplished by ourselves, and we can devise the means of alleviating the evil consequences to both races. I think, therefore, we must decide whether slavery shall be extinguished by our enemies and the slaves be used against us, or use them ourselves at the risk of the effects which may be produced upon our social institutions. My own opinion is that we should employ them without delay. I believe that with proper regulations they can be made efficient soldiers. They possess the physical qualifications in an eminent degree. Long habits of obedience and subordination, coupled with the moral influence which in our country the white man possesses over the black, furnish an excellent foundation for that discipline which is the best guaranty of military efficiency. Our chief aim should be to secure their fidelity.

There have been formidable armies composed of men having no interest in the cause for which they fought beyond their pay or the hope of plunder. But it is certain that the surest foundation upon which the fidelity of an army can rest, especially in a service which imposes peculiar hardships and privations, is the personal interest of the soldier in the issue of the contest. Such an interest we can give our negroes by giving immediate freedom to all who enlist, and freedom at the end of the war to the families of those who discharge their duties faithfully (whether they survive or not), together with the privilege of residing at the South. To this might be added a bounty for faithful service.

We should not expect slaves to fight for prospective freedom when they can secure it at once by going to the enemy, in whose service they will incur no greater risk than in ours. The reasons that induce me to recommend the employment of negro troops at all render the effect of the measures I have suggested upon slavery immaterial, and in my opinion the best means of securing the efficiency and fidelity of this auxiliary force would be to accompany the measure with a well-digested plan of gradual and general emancipation. As that will be the result of the continuance of the war, and will certainly occur if the enemy succeed, it seems to me most advisable to adopt it at once, and thereby obtain all the benefits that will accrue to our cause.

The employment of negro troops under regulations similar in principle to those above indicated would, in my opinion, greatly increase our military strength and enable us to relieve our white population to some extent. I think we could dispense with the reserve forces except in cases of necessity.

It would disappoint the hopes which our enemies base upon our exhaustion, deprive them in a great measure of the aid they now derive from black troops, and thus throw the burden of the war upon their own people. In addition to the great political advantages that would result to our cause from the adoption of a system of emancipation, it would exercise a salutary influence upon our whole negro population, by rendering more secure the fidelity of those who become soldiers, and diminishing the inducements to the rest to abscond.

I can only say in conclusion that whatever measures are to be adopted should be adopted at once. Every day's delay increases the difficulty. Much time will be required to organize and discipline the men, and action may be deferred until it is too late.

Very respectfully, your obedient servant,

R. E. LEE,
General

It's interesting to note that even though so many southern supporters claim that there were tens of thousands, nay, hundreds of thousands of black soldiers with the confederate army Lee still speaks of his preference for an all-white army. Curious, don't you think? And it is also interesting to note that when the legislation was finally passed to enlist free blacks and slaves into combat roles, it contained nothing about freedom for the slaves following their service. Imagine, the confederacy is in such dire straights that it is turning to conscripting slaves as combat troops and it still cannot bring itself to threaten the sanctity of its peculiar institution by offering them their freedom for their sacrifice.

375 posted on 05/15/2003 2:18:45 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: GOPcapitalist
Quit spreading lies and half-truths, Walt. That letter you refer to was actually a proposal by Lee to the CSA Congress to begin an emancipation program in exchange for military service.

"In October, 1864, General Lee wrote to General Grant as follows: "To alleviate the sufferings of our soldiers, I propose the exchange of prisoners of war taken by the armies operating in Virginia man for man, upon the basis established by the Cartel."

On the next day General Grant replied as follows: "I could not of right accept your proposition further than to exchange prisoners captured within the last three days, and who have not yet been delivered to the commanding General of prisoners. Among those lost by the armies around Richmond were a number of colored troops. Before further negotiations can be had upon the subject, I would ask if you propose to exchange these men the same as white soldiers?"

General Lee said, in rejoinder: "Deserters from our service, and Negroes belonging to our citizens, are not considered as subjects of exchange."

-- Getysburg Press

Lee was a strong suppporter of slavery, and no other interpretation will stand up to the record.

Walt

426 posted on 05/16/2003 6:57:33 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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