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Photo of Derby-winning Rider Raises Questions
AP ^ | 5-10-2003 | CHRIS DUNCAN

Posted on 05/10/2003 10:15:18 AM PDT by Cagey

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) - Stewards were looking into questions raised about winning Kentucky Derby jockey Jose Santos, who is shown in a photo possibly carrying something in his hand besides his whip as he crossed the finish line aboard Funny Cide.

Churchill Downs stewards scheduled a meeting for Saturday and another one for Tuesday, which will include Santos, Funny Cide owner Jack Knowlton told The Associated Press. One steward called the photo "very suspicious."

Knowlton said any accusations that Santos might have used an illegal aid to win the race are "just absolutely, totally ridiculous."

Kentucky Racing Commission rules do not prohibit a jockey from holding an object with his whip, other than those specifically prohibited, such as an electrical device that might make the horse run faster. It was not immediately clear what Santos might have been holding in addition to his whip.

The questions were raised after The Miami Herald published a story about the jockey, along with the photo.

"There's absolutely, positively not one iota to this and we're very, very disappointed that an individual can take the luster off what we all consider to be a great victory," said Knowlton, speaking by phone from the horse's barn at Belmont Park in New York.

Knowlton said he would attend the meeting Tuesday even though he plans to take Funny Cide to Baltimore to get ready for next Saturday's Preakness. The stewards - Bernie Hettel, Rick Leigh and Jack Middleton - have ultimate authority over a race's results.

The photo, which ran in several newspapers the morning after the race, depicts a dark area in the space between Santos' right hand and his whip.

Santos told the Herald on Friday he carried an object in his hand during the race and described it as a "'cue' ring to call the outriders."

"Why do you want to write about this negative [stuff]?" Santos said before he hung up the phone at Belmont Park, the Herald reported.

Santos said he was carrying the ring to alert an outrider to his presence. An outrider is a rider aboard a pony that can guide a thoroughbred before and after the race.

However, Santos told the Daily Racing Form on Saturday from Belmont that the Herald misunderstood and that it was a "Q-ray" bracelet that he regularly wears for arthritis. The jockey is from Chile and speaks English with a heavy accent.

Knowlton told the AP that the owners spoke to Santos at the barn Saturday morning.

"He had a bracelet on his arm. He always wears it, and that's what we have here," he said.

However, Santos appears to be wearing a bracelet on his left wrist in the photo, not his right. The Racing Form story did not address what Santos might have had in his right hand besides his whip.

Hettel and Hall of Fame jockey Mike Smith told the Herald they have never heard of a cue ring.

Leigh told the newspaper the photograph looks "very suspicious."

It is unclear whether the dark image in Santos' hand is a shadow, the light green background of the silks worn by the jockey behind him or something illegal. Other photos show Santos firmly grasping the whip with his whole hand after crossing the finish line, the Herald said.

Getty Images photographer Jamie Squire said he magnified his picture to examine it more closely. He added that he was able to "definitely see something in his hand besides the whip."

Brandon Lopez, an editor at Getty, told the Herald the photograph was not altered.

When asked if riders are permitted to carry anything other than a whip, Hettel told the newspaper: "Why would they want to? It's the biggest race of the year. You have enough to do with the whip and the reins that there is no reason to carry anything else."

Santos was voted an Eclipse Award in 1988 as the nation's outstanding jockey and was the leading rider in purse earnings from 1986 to '89. This was his first Kentucky Derby victory.

"It's an unneeded distraction," Knowlton told the AP. "We're trying to get the horse and all the horse's connections ready for the second leg of the Triple Crown."

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AP Sports Writer Beth Harris in Los Angeles contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
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To: Endeavor
...And horses that would suffer a saddle or girth that is rubbing without giving the rider any clue that anything is wrong.... sometimes they might get a little bit of sour attitude, but I have been amazed and felt very guilty on occasions where the horse seemed to be going fine all day on a ride, only to find out the girth had rubbed him raw because dirt got in there....

If I had something like that rubbing my skin off with every step, I would not keep going, nor, do I think a dog would. Seems like dogs have a lower tolerance to pain or discomfort than my horses do. Horses will try to evade pain, but pain does not paralyze them the way it does us.

That is the idea I was trying to hit on.
121 posted on 05/10/2003 1:41:51 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Endeavor
Ahhh we cross-posted.... I was thinking of examples that didn't involve adrenaline, because that occured to me too.
122 posted on 05/10/2003 1:43:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Endeavor
Heh.... Well, manure ideas or not.... I have to go work my horse a bit today.... we have a ride coming up that he is not in shape for. :~D

Apparently they are not going to formally question this jockey till Tuesday, so we aren't going to get immediate answers on this situation.
123 posted on 05/10/2003 1:49:11 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: hole_n_one
Thanks for posting the link to that picture. It does look interesting. If it was a "buzzer" I do not think that he would be holding it in the saddling area.
124 posted on 05/10/2003 2:37:12 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes
Before this controversy ever came up, I looked at the horse's eyes in the photo on the news and wondered what in world it was so terrified of.

The horse's eyes tell all, IMO.
125 posted on 05/10/2003 3:45:40 PM PDT by ZDaphne
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To: HairOfTheDog
Thouroughbreds have a very low pain threshhold.
126 posted on 05/10/2003 4:08:19 PM PDT by sharktrager
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To: HairOfTheDog
Break open an old electric flash camera and remove the little capacitor. Leave as much wire as you can when you cut it out. Touch those leads to a battery. Then touch the leads with your hand. Be ready for a shocking surprise.

Pistol (:>]
127 posted on 05/10/2003 4:26:12 PM PDT by Pistol (Don't fence me in.)
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To: Pistol
Pardon me--- old "electronic" flash camera. (:>[
128 posted on 05/10/2003 4:30:19 PM PDT by Pistol (Don't fence me in.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Could this help ?
129 posted on 05/10/2003 4:38:19 PM PDT by Neenah (Good mornin America....How are ya ?)
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To: Cagey
The very same object appears in Vince Foster's right hand
in FBI photos taken at Fort Marcy Park. Some of you may recall that both the "hobo" on the graasy knoll and Jack Ruby were also photographed with a similar object.
130 posted on 05/10/2003 4:39:28 PM PDT by Doc Savage
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To: Doc Savage
"hobo"

There were THREE "hobos' @ Grassy Knoll, and the objects in their hands were chrome plated.

131 posted on 05/10/2003 4:45:49 PM PDT by timestax
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To: ewing
looks like a stun/shock device.

To me, it actually looks like a long pick of some sort. I don't know what stun devices look like, but maybe they should have checked the horse for holes. In any case, it looks like he's got something besides a riding crop in his hand.

P.S. I just searched this, because I read on the AP they are investigating this as a result of the picture.

132 posted on 05/10/2003 5:32:51 PM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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To: World'sGoneInsane
I don't know what stun devices look like,
See HairoftheDog's post #90 for a picture of a dog collar one. The jockey could of been holding the remote sensor in his hand do one tied around the horse somewhere.
But I would think hiding that would be a tough one. You would have to put it on a sensitive part of the horse, and the only place that's conceiled well enough is under the saddle. Perhaps across the belly.
133 posted on 05/10/2003 5:47:38 PM PDT by lelio
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To: Neenah
Well, thanks for finding a combination of search words that got some useful results, but I saw discussion of the use of dog training collars on horses in training and discussion of cattle prods on those pages, but nothing that showed a device that could be hidden like this.
134 posted on 05/10/2003 6:22:31 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
ok..sorry..I was in the middle of getting supper on the table. LOL...Thought there would be a miracle there, and I would become a hero !
135 posted on 05/10/2003 6:27:03 PM PDT by Neenah (Good mornin America....How are ya ?)
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To: Hildy
That's what I'm wondering. What about all the people with torn winning tickets? Bummer.
136 posted on 05/10/2003 10:49:43 PM PDT by rvoitier (There's too many ALs in this world: Al Qaeda Al Jezeera Al Gore Al Sharpton Al Franken)
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To: BagCamAddict
In light of recent fixes, it's not 'Horse puckey' to investigate. It is incumbent on the industry, which is on not so solid footing, to investigate fully and quickly if it wants to maintain some semblence of credibility.

In '99 there was the Arkansas race (don't know its name) that was fixed by the same method claimed here where the jockey was filmed ditching the shock device. Then there was the recent Breeder's Cup Fix-6 Scandal just late last year.

137 posted on 05/10/2003 10:55:12 PM PDT by rvoitier (There's too many ALs in this world: Al Qaeda Al Jezeera Al Gore Al Sharpton Al Franken)
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To: rvoitier
I didn't say it was horse puckey to investigate. I only said that the first posted picture did not look definitively suspicious to me, and that an investigation based on that ONE picture did not seem warranted. In a later post, I also said that I presumed the authorities had more pictures, from different angles, that warranted an investigation, otherwise they wouldn't be investigating.

At any rate, I have looked at all the various pictures again, and manipulated them all in my photo editing program, and it now DOES look to me like there is something in his hand.

I can't post a photo, but I can best describe what I'm seeing as looking like the end of a cigarette sticking out between the webbing of his first and middle fingers. (It's obviously not a cigarette, that's just the easiest way to describe it.) It appears to be cylindrical, with a whitish color on the sides, and a blackish color on the end. So it looks like it could potentially be some sort of push-button thing-a-ma-jig.

138 posted on 05/11/2003 1:31:13 AM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: Admin Moderator
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That won't be powerful enough for the average athelete; you need the Zotmaster 3000 (50% more power).

139 posted on 05/11/2003 6:51:21 AM PDT by steveegg ("I have instructions to tell you that our relations have been degraded." - WH official to French)
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To: lelio

Imagine this hoof pick with a black handle. Nothing else would have to be attached to the horse.

140 posted on 05/11/2003 7:51:16 AM PDT by World'sGoneInsane
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