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Well also, I think you are offending quite a few of us (including me to an extent) with your discounting of the experiences of the many of us on this thread who either grew up here (like me) or left many years ago then returned. I think for every arguable exageration on the part of someone who has left the City (or the Bay Area in general) regarding how much of a pit SF has become, there are equal exagerations on your part regarding how nice it is. Please do not read this wrong, but I think that what someone in the "Asian enclave" experiences in SF may be vastly different than what other groups experience. Part of it owes to having multiple generations of family around or a very family centric existence. The things you do are not juxtaposing you against people such as the troll who lived in the in law downstairs from us; she was the classic rebel without a cause from Long Beach who adopted a beret, Communism and a seriously bad attitude. She hung out at "Organic Grounds" on 9th Ave and voted Red. Just one data point of many. How many people such as this do you and your family typically run into? Maybe you do, but who knows. I personally straddle the fence between the "Asian enclave" and the white good old boy one, and therefore I feel I have a very unique perspective on this matter. Personally, I tend to fall in more and more with the white flight crowd on this thread than others here, and that's quite remarkable given that my wife and I still spend a fair share of time in the City and we, having lived there for years (and me for years in the past when I was single, late 80s - early 90s) still have many friends there and many businesses we patronize. I think it has definitely gone downhill and I blame the Leftward lurch of each mayor since Christopher (Jordan excepted) and each batch of increasingly gay supes for this. Heck they are changing the health plan of city employees to include sex changes when they should be worried about the 25% conviction rate by Hallinan that traitor to his fellows in the Sunset who has injected Marxist love of rebels and criminals into the DA's office. What a crying shame!