[luckystarmom]

We've stopped going up there much. We'll go to a destination like the Exploratorium, and that's about it.

It's too grimy, and I can't stand the bums. I prefer to go to Monterrey to escape the South Bay.

[buwaya]

The Exploratorium isn't grimy.

[luckystarmom]

Everywhere except for the Exploratorium and a few other places are grimy. Sorry, I was not very clear.