[freeper4u]

Ichneumon: "And while you're at it, self-assemble into *what*? Raindrops self-assemble into lakes, for example. Chaotic water droplets self-assemble into highly organized snowflakes."

f.Christian: "In short, just what in the *world* are you babbling about?"

I guess you haven't been keeping up...

Here, Ichneumon was replying to G3K's endlessly recurring challenge to provide proof that some form of order can naturally come from chaos. Each time an example is given, G3K claims it doesn't meet his requirements. So Ich's latest attempt, in addition to providing more examples, is to ask G3K to clearly state the requirements.

f.Christian: "you think water formed the container that holds it ..."

Your deliberate misinterpretation of his point -- that the natrual conglomeration of droplets into larger pools of water occurs without the direction of an outside agent -- does not dimish the relevance of his example.

[longshadow]

Your deliberate misinterpretation of his point -- that the natrual conglomeration of droplets into larger pools of water occurs without the direction of an outside agent -- does not dimish the relevance of his example. -[you, to G3k]

What did you expect from someone who thinks that nuclear fission is a "chemical reaction?"

- that 1⁷²⁰ is a really big number?

- that infrared radiation causes sunburn?

- that circles are not ellipses?

- that the planets have "wildly elliptical" orbits?

...... ad nauseum.

[longshadow]

ooops, sorry, I thought you were responding to G3k, .....

[gore3000]

Ichneumon: "And while you're at it, self-assemble into *what*? Raindrops self-assemble into lakes, for example. Chaotic water droplets self-assemble into highly organized snowflakes."

Lots of water is not an example of self-assembly. Neither are snowflakes which are just the result of freezing of water and perhaps the power of the wind in giving them different shapes. They lack complexity. They are totally due to natural forces, and very simple ones at that.

The DNA in the simplest organism however, the arrangement of it is not only not due to any natural forces, but it cannot be due to it. Otherwise we would not be able to find all the possible ways in which 3 different bit pairs with 3 possible values (64 in all) appear in the DNA sequences of all species. Such self assembly is totally unknown anywhere in the natural world. For anything even close, one must go and look at humanly designed things.