[VadeRetro]

We might as well mention that, on top of the stunning factual errors, g3k was originally calling for examples of "matter self-assembling without human intervention" but is disallowing any proffered example because there is "no [human] assembly required."

[longshadow]

g3k was originally calling for examples of "matter self-assembling without human intervention" but is disallowing any proffered example because there is "no [human] assembly required."

Well, he's never let a little thing like a contradiction stop him before -- no reason to think he'd change now.

[gore3000]

is disallowing any proffered example because there is "no [human] assembly required."

I did not say that human assembly is required. I am asking for examples of matter assembling itself into complex things. The 'nuclear reactor' merely requires a large concentration of uranium. This does not require any complex thing occurring. Further, for life to have occurred from matter some very complex assembly was necessary. The DNA for example has no sequential chemical or other affinity to cause it to assemble in the way that life arose. For atheists and materialists to propose such a thing they certainly have to show some very complex self-asembly of non-living matter. The other problems that need to be surmounted in order to achieve life from non-life are detailed and explained in Post# 1558 .