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To: Ten Megaton Solution
Everyone uses what they possess of skill will logic reason creativity guile and personality to establish material things. At a minimum, they have to eat and drink every day.

I have not said that man has no material needs. What I have said is that man is not driven merely by material needs. The saying 'the pen is mightier than the sword' ilustrates the complete difference between man and beasts. Ideas, thoughts drive man's actions as much as material things. Abstract terms such as freedom resound even more strongly in their hearts than the desire for material things and often drive them to risk their lives for it.

Further, man is the only creature which has art. This is a totally non-material activity which in no way has any basis on material needs but shows man's innate need to nourish the spirit as much as the body.

1,363 posted on 05/14/2003 4:57:52 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
What I have said is that man is not driven merely by material needs.

No, what you said was, and I quote:

are not driven by their material nature,

So, not only are you wrong, you're trying to weasel away from what you said.

The saying 'the pen is mightier than the sword' ilustrates the complete difference between man and beasts.

Yes, men build pens to keep animals in for later consumption, and use swords on each other. Animals just use their teeth and claws where opportunity permits, since they lack the evolutionary history that forced man to become a tool user.

What's your point?

1,367 posted on 05/14/2003 10:41:57 AM PDT by Ten Megaton Solution
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To: gore3000
Art is a "non-material activity", is it? Guess you never considered the reason why artists do their thing.

1) To sell. (ie make money, to buy food, shelter, clothing, time share condos, girlfriends, etc)

2) Social recognition (which is another pathway to food, shelter, girlfriend's pants, etc)

The "artist" that creates, but doesn't show it to anyone, has a mental disorder not conducive to survival.

1,368 posted on 05/14/2003 10:45:52 AM PDT by Ten Megaton Solution
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