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To: JohnGalt
Or if you are a conservative, you believe the government should make its case for war and get a declaration of war to secure the stated end.

While a declaration of war is ideal, conservatives know their history. Accordingly, they know that military action between the United States and foreign powers have been undeclared since John Adams and the Quasi-War with France. Innumerable examples of the same are rife throughout American history. Secondly, the case was made to the American public. The link between the anti-western tyrannies of the Middle East, be they jihadist or pan-Arab secularist, is a story as old as most of the countries involved (for example, see former Lebanon CIA officer Robert Baer's "See No Evil" on how these terrrorist groups and nations work together on a regular basis). It was a linkage rejected only by those who expected the administration to produce a hand-written note reading, "Dear Saddam, I love working with you and Assad to kill Crusaders and Zionists. Hugs & Kisses, Osama"

The denial of this linkage undertaken by administration critics reminds one of Dr. Samuel Johnson demonstrating to Boswell how Boswell could not prove the existence of Canada to Johnson if Johnson chose not to believe him.

Otherwise its just a political scheme hatched up by Ivy League tea sippers willing to put their neighbour's kids in harm's way.

Having graduated from an Ivy League, and grown up in a town with an Ivy League university, I can assure you that there aren't enough militaristic Ivy Leaguers to fill a mini-van. To ascribe malign intent to such a non-existent cabal is little more than a profession of ignorance and desperation. As for Rummy, he was a US Navy pilot, so I think he was willing to put his ass on the line for others. I bet you if you asked the men and women in today's military, they would be more than happy to put their asses on the line for him.

Moreover, the libertarian line that anything done by the government is something done by "the Establishment" with other people's lives and money is getting stale. If Bush's team finds war easier because it is fought by other people's kids, then you find pompous moral posturing to be easy because you hide behind the courage and bravery of others. So it goes.

I understand where you are coming from, as I am a registered Libertarian. I voted Libertarian since coming of voting age until the 2000 election. The end of the Cold War meant a more dangerous world, and the Libertarians have not been realistic about the tough measures that must be taken to protect this nation. Our good buddies in the Islamic understand two things: Cold steel and hot lead. Anything else is interpreted by them as cowardice, and only encourages them to further acts of violence. Murdered American innocents are the unacceptable result of passivity and petty moralizing. It ain't pretty, but it is reality.

55 posted on 05/07/2003 12:52:11 PM PDT by Seydlitz
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To: Seydlitz
Spot on post.
58 posted on 05/07/2003 1:17:07 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Seydlitz
You sure sound like an Ivy League Libertarian...

A serious libertarian would demand that before any foreign adventure, the paper shufflers in the trillion dollar central intelligence resign, and the right to keep and bare arms is restored to the people.

An Ivy League Lifestyle Libertarian would just go through contortions to rationalize the actions of the current ruling elite.


Rummy- Princeton
Wolfowitz- taught at Yale
Richard Perle- Princeton
Ashcroft- Yale
Bush- Yale and Harvard
Kristol- Harvard
Token 'Far Right' Candidate, Alan Keyes- Harvard
David Frum- Yale
George Will- Post Grad Princeton
Krauthammer- Post Grad Harvard
Larry Kaplan (New Republic Wilsonian Hawk) Columbia
Lieberman- Yale

"While a declaration of war is ideal, conservatives know their history. Accordingly, they know that military action between the United States and foreign powers have been undeclared since John Adams and the Quasi-War with France"

Does that make it 'right?'

"Secondly, the case was made to the American public"

Polling data suggests that half the country believe Saddam had something to do with 9/11. Where did they get that factually dubious idea?

"Murdered American innocents are the unacceptable result of passivity and petty moralizing" and gun control and centralized government and military adventures.

Ivy League, indeed.

71 posted on 05/07/2003 1:59:04 PM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: Seydlitz
Well said and a reasonable answer to a pest.
81 posted on 05/07/2003 2:09:24 PM PDT by dennisw
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