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Globalization Must Be Regulated, Says John Paul II
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Posted on 05/03/2003 8:36:08 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: uncbob
This, or we are not reading the entire article.
The article is quite 'leading.' It leads the reader to believe that the Holy Father is pro the globalization, the U.N. has spelled out with declarations... i e....one world GAIA wacko religion.The last paragraph of this article, states that the Holy Father's thoughts are for democracy, not the tyrant ways of Kofi Annan and the U.N.'s definition of globalization.
"This does not mean creating a 'global super-state,' but continuing the processes already under way to increase democratic participation and promote political transparency and accountability," he concluded.
To: 1john2 3and4
I am a Catholic. I am a Christian. I am not saved by my good works. I am saved by God's grace through faith. My good works are a reflection of my acceptance of and acting in that faith. The related quotes denigrating the Catholic faith do not speak to what the Catholic Church teaches.
I pray for the unity of all Christians, but not because I want the Pope to reign supreme! It has everything to do with wanting to be in union with every Christian, everywhere, as the one church of Jesus Christ. How sad that we are so divided.
To: 1john2 3and4
and when he (or another with his title) speaks of these and similar things ex cathedra....wont THAT be interesting! The pope's infallibility is in matters of faith and morals when speaking to the whole church out of the chair.(ex cathedra.)
When the pope goes beyond that, he is no more catholic than the average parisioner and should be challenged on his views if you disagree with him.
And frankly beyond the faith and morals issues, his opinion should be challenged. He seems to be incompetent (outside the faith and morals area) with his naive socialistic views of the world. From my perspective I wish the pope would shut up on these matters. -Tom
To: RedBloodedAmerican
I will never officially leave the Catholic Church because all denominations have their 'problems', and there's no place else I'd rather be. But the Church heirarchy is dead to me now, both excathedra and otherwise.
So much that was mandated before under penalty of sin is now defunct. So my question to 'them' is were you fallible then or are you fallible now? Either way, I don't have the time or inclination to sort out their excathedra mishaps. I'll leave that to the Cardinals and such to do.
But I will not seek nor heed their counsel. They are not capable of leading their flock, no ifs ands or buts about it!
In the meantime I will seek my way through Christ, I don't need a third party administrator.
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posted on
05/03/2003 12:00:42 PM PDT
by
AlbionGirl
(A kite flies highest against the wind, not with it. - Winston Churchill)
To: uncbuck
The Pope, is attacked, because he sees materialism as a danger to man's soul, he was advising the President about his moral duty to be sure that war is the only answer, and because he is not quoted properly in a God-hating press regarding the evil deeds of a small percentage of ex-clergy.Actually, the Pope has never had one good word to say about capitalism except when he spanks free market economies for not doing more for the poor, he has not once since the end of the Iraq war expressed gratitude for the liberation of 24 million people from the yoke of tyranny, and the Holy Father knew for 20 years that priests were molesting children here in the United States.
I'm Catholic also, and I admire the Pope, but he is not infallible in his earthly judgments.
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posted on
05/03/2003 12:05:47 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
To: Desdemona
That is what the pope wants. Some control over the megalomaniacs and dictators who exploit the less fortunate. Unless someone actually tries to do something about megalomaniacs and dictators, in which case he can have a Vatican functionary characterize his military intervention as a "crime against humanity."
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posted on
05/03/2003 12:08:37 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
To: GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...
Ping.
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posted on
05/03/2003 12:11:50 PM PDT
by
narses
(Christe Eleison)
To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Cacophonous; Poohbah; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; ...
"Special interests and the demands of the market frequently predominate over concern for the common good," he added. Bump
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posted on
05/03/2003 12:14:33 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
To: Pyro7480
Thanks for the support. I'm just getting sick of some people who always have their "free market blinders" on. They often senselessly attack people who look at the market in a moral fasion. It gets absurd at times. Free market fundies are cultists.
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posted on
05/03/2003 12:17:05 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
To: RedBloodedAmerican
When I was a kid, I thought Jack Chick was just "interesting". Now it seems he may have, after all this time, been sying what needed to be said. Jack Chick the source of free market fundamentalism? This would explain a lot.
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posted on
05/03/2003 12:23:01 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
To: RedBloodedAmerican
Some say the pope is cited out of context or only partially, deforming is real intent. If that is so, he should put out a statement that is clear and unequivocal. There never appears to be any balance in his reported statements. The benefit to people arising out of the scientific revolution and the rise of capitalism is unprecedented in human history. This benefit grows in both breadth and depth as it expands around the globe. To not acknowledge this, while picking at limitations and lapses, is misleading. In political affairs, the emphasis on some relative "good" (e.g. peace in the abstract) while ignoring real oppression and terrorism is unethical.
The statement is quoted: "These aspects of globalization can give rise to extreme reactions, leading to excessive nationalism, religious fanaticism and even acts of terrorism," This is extremely wrong-headed, as the antecedents are not caused by "globalization" (read capitalism with free trade), and because it rationalizes extreme immoral behavior.
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posted on
05/03/2003 12:39:49 PM PDT
by
Faraday
To: Faraday
You people are being really shortsighted in this.
This Pope HATES communism, it was his help which helped soldarity take off and helped us take down communist russia.
The Pope has often spoken of the evils of communism... tho I'm startng to think that he simply isnt strong enough to keep others in the vatican from getting away with this stuff.
You need to realiize that the Pope has done more to fight communism then anyone else on the planet, with the possible exception of Ronnie. If in his old age and extremely weakened state he falters in that fight, it is excusable.
To: RedBloodedAmerican
Globalization should be taxed mercilessly, until it goes away.
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posted on
05/03/2003 1:31:28 PM PDT
by
Paul Ross
(From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
To: Pyro7480
I see Oliver's Army is up and around today. The Pope's message is a plea for capitalism with a human face, nothing more -- and I agree with him. Any "progress" that considers people to be "human resources" instead of human beings isn't progress at all. The free market produces more wealth for more people than any other economic system every conceived, but to say that there should be no restrictions on economic activity is to deny the existence of the common good -- a very unchristian (and inhuman) idea.
Just ignore the Jack Chick fans. Chick is a marketing genius and a powerful propagandist, but a theologian he ain't, and neither are his disciples. Don't worry -- the Church survived Arianism, Dontasim, Caesaropapism. Monophytism, Iconoclasm, Waldensianism, Catharism, Lutheranism, Calvinism, Jansenism, Darwinism, Socialism, Fascism and Modernism -- it'll survive Protestantism, too. Five hundred years from now, when there are 200,000 Protestant "denominations" out there, each with its own version of the Gospel -- the good old Catholic Church will still be there, going to bat for the sanctity and dignity of human life and swinging for the bleachers.
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posted on
05/03/2003 1:36:55 PM PDT
by
B-Chan
(Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
To: AlbionGirl
I think you have every reason to conclude as you have but do yourself and the Catholic Church a favor and find a church more consonant with your beliefs. You only harm yourself and the Body of Christ when your natural and supernatural body and soul become separated and start to fragment.
I think the Pope's concluding statements to this lay group he was speaking to are worth reflecting upon. Not only for you as an individual but for all entities,whether government,nation or church or religion. Those words were:
This does not mean creating a 'global super state' but continuing on the processes underway to increase democratic participation and promote political transparency and accountibility.
Until human beings recognize that the disconnects between their beliefs,words and actions create the confusion and dysfunction rife in todays world (much of it because we can now learn of it through the progress of technology) we are going to be stuck right where we are or sink even lower.
To: Katana16j
helped us take down communist russiahehehehe
To: Katana16j
the Pope has done more to fight communism then anyone else on the planetDon't communists and socialists get along?
To: sinkspur
Go back and read Centisimus Annos (sp) and then tell us what the Pope has or has not said.
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To: saradippity
You missed your calling; your powers of persuasion are hefty.
But I'm not quite sure what you meant by the following:
You only harm yourself and the Body of Christ when your natural and supernatural body and soul become separated and start to fragment.
Are you saying that unless my union with Christ takes place along side the fellowship of other Christians, my soul will begin to atrophy? And if so, can you elaborate?
It really is good of you to reach out to me in the way that you did; it is very Christ like.
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posted on
05/03/2003 3:32:00 PM PDT
by
AlbionGirl
(A kite flies highest against the wind, not with it. - Winston Churchill)
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