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Freep this survey: Wondering Begins: Are They Packing Heat?
WCCO TV (Minneapolis/St. Paul) ^ | Apr 29, 2003 | Channel4000

Posted on 04/29/2003 10:24:08 AM PDT by jdege

Wondering Begins: Are They Packing Heat?

Pawlenty Quickly, Quietly Signs Controversial Relaxation Of Concealed Gun Laws

For many a visit to a mall or other public venue includes the secretive game dubbed "people watching," which may include guessing professions, personalities and other personal information from afar.

There's a new caveat to that seemingly innocent game in Minnesota now: think that person is packing heat?

That new aspect to "people watching" comes as state rules have been relaxed for allowing people to receive permits to carry concealed handguns.

The change came after one of the longer Senate debates in memory and after Gov. Tim Pawlenty again inked his name to a controversial social law nearly immediately upon its passage and with little or no fanfare, according to broadcast reports.

His quick and quiet signing of the bill comes less than a month after he similarly quickly signed a 24-hour abortion-waiting period with little or no comment.

State estimates are that after the bill goes into affect in a month that, eventually, the number of Minnesotans walking through daily life with a concealed handgun will rise from less than 12,000 today to more than 90,000, according to the Star Tribune.

Supporters said that nearly 40 other states have passed similar laws without dire consequences and that Minnesotans should have a right to protect themselves against violence and crime.

People on both sides of the debate did agree on one point: the measure is supported by only three groups in the National Rifle Association, a state group calling itself the Concealed Carry Reform Now! and the Republican Party of Minnesota.

Opponents argue that the bill isn't restrictive enough about where the guns can be carried, among other things, and that conditions are too loose on who can have one.

They said the law requires churches, malls and other public locales to not only post signs saying concealed guns aren't allowed but to also personally tell each person coming into the locale about the rule.

They also note that the law doesn't allow police chiefs and sheriffs to use alleged acts as a reason to deny the permit meaning someone accused, but not convicted, of assaults, public drunkenness or other crimes cannot be denied the permit based on that information.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; minnesota; moosescankill; shallissue
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To: Free Fire Zone
Walking back to Freedom one step at a time.
21 posted on 04/29/2003 10:51:23 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Dead Corpse
They aren't quite as "left" as the Strib (Star Tribune newspaper), but they have a definate tilt.

Ha, you're preaching to the choir here, I read that hang wringing passing off as a news story. Their tilt is definite.

I'd like to know how this Star Tribune knows the concealed guns go up to 90,000. Not that it is a bad thing, but how can these reporters read so many minds? Inquiring minds want to know.

22 posted on 04/29/2003 10:52:00 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: Dead Corpse
Notice too how they divided up all the "No Problem" votes into 4 categories, but kept it to one "I hate it" answer.
23 posted on 04/29/2003 10:53:32 AM PDT by gtech (Don't sell me out and expect my vote.)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
90k was an arbitrary number on a Brady "fact sheet" a couple of the DFL'ers were passing around for talking points.

Also, they completely failed to mention that 90,000 more law-abiding people with less fear of criminals would only be considered a "good start" in most right thinking peoples minds.

24 posted on 04/29/2003 10:56:14 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: gtech
Yes. I noticed that as well.
25 posted on 04/29/2003 10:57:04 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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"Be nice, be sweet,
To everyone you meet.
Because baby you don't know
Just who'll be packing heat."

Lyrics from an MP3 I grabbed from mp3.com a few years ago. It's a great song. A girl band, but the name escapes me, as does the song title. Lucious Jackson sounding, but not as polished or groovey. I'll need to check out my cd's when I get home and see if I can resurrect that info, because they had a few other good songs available.

26 posted on 04/29/2003 10:57:17 AM PDT by vollmond
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To: jdege
"Wondering Begins: Are They Packing Heat?"

What kind of fruit cake would ever wonder such a thing?

--Boot Hill

27 posted on 04/29/2003 10:59:34 AM PDT by Boot Hill
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To: jdege
People on both sides of the debate did agree on one point: the measure is supported by only three groups in the National Rifle Association, a state group calling itself the Concealed Carry Reform Now! and the Republican Party of Minnesota.

Forgetting for a moment the nearly incoherent sentence structure that implies that the Republican party, among other groups, is a subsidiary of the National Rifle Association, let us also point out that "People on both sides of the debate did agree on one point: the measure is opposed by only three groups -- Handgun Control Inc., a California group calling itself the Violence Prevention Center, and the Democrat Party of Minnesota."

28 posted on 04/29/2003 11:02:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (c) Entertaining beautiful women since 1972 ! :^)
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To: Dead Corpse
I don't mean to wear anyone down. The incremental way of doing it is only one way. If we can get Bush as a moderate for a few more years, maybe next time we can get a conservative. If we can elect conservative judges, the whole lie of gun control can be thrown out in the courts.

There was a time when the government was working to have a Federal handgun ban. With the 35 states with a CCW license and the other 9[?] with a May Issue, the subject has gone away. The lawsuits to the gun manufacturers may go away in a short time. Next is getting rid of the Homeland Security Rifle Ban. The fun thing about going on the offensive is the left can't figure out where we're going to hit next.

At the exact time Minnesota passed the CCW law, there's a article about Chicago being the Murder Capitol of the United States. Interesting.
29 posted on 04/29/2003 11:02:19 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Has Chicago replaced Washington D.C for that dubious honor? Its just as well since they're both cities which believe your exercise of self-defense of your person, family, and home makes you an outlaw.
30 posted on 04/29/2003 11:04:21 AM PDT by goldstategop ( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The incremental way of doing it is only one way.

Hush. Don't let the Founder here that. They'll roll over in their graves.

In todays climate though, it may still work. I hope you, and those who feel as you do, are right in this. If not, things will get messy.

31 posted on 04/29/2003 11:06:15 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse
Dead Corpse said: "A good CCW law will have to suffice until we can get before the SCOTUS with a good, solid, case."

A recent case brought to the SCOTUS was that of Bean, who was convicted in Mexico of bearing ammunition. The court refused to invalidate laws which deprive him of his RKBA.

There is nothing wrong with the cases brought to the court. The problem lies with the court itself.

32 posted on 04/29/2003 11:07:16 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: jdege
"Criminal penalties only apply to a permit holder if he has been told to leave and refuses."

Yes, but since the gun is concealed, how can anyone tell? I'd carry anyway. If I have to pull it out and use it, it will be worth being arrested.

33 posted on 04/29/2003 11:10:58 AM PDT by Henrietta
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To: jdege
There's a new caveat to that seemingly innocent game in Minnesota now: think that person is packing heat?
Just think, maybe potential bad guys are playing this "seemingly innocent game".
34 posted on 04/29/2003 11:12:11 AM PDT by Gunner9mm
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To: Dead Corpse
Here's a couple of quick alternatives.

I wake up one morning and find out the lawsuit of that druggie who was caught in Washington D.C. finally went before the Supreme Court and we win.

Or, we lose and Henry Bowman goes into the hog business. I hope it's not this one. I planned a really nice retirement for myself.
35 posted on 04/29/2003 11:13:12 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: goldstategop
"You can't beat a woman who shoots"
36 posted on 04/29/2003 11:13:50 AM PDT by SWake ("Life ... is SO uncertain" Lyle Lovett)
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To: jdege
...the law requires churches, malls and other public locales to ..... post signs saying concealed guns aren't allowed...

(sarcasm on)Thank goodness they are making it easy to identify those areas where criminals will be less likely to encounter resistance!(/sarcasm off)

Same like here in Texas - at least this stupidity also makes it easy to identify high threat areas to avoid - the rest of the state is safe!!

Stay vigilent, stay armed, and never trust a muslim or a liberal, both being terrorists, differing only in weaponry and technique.

37 posted on 04/29/2003 11:16:47 AM PDT by mil-vet
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To: goldstategop
Yup. Dem M'nnsot'ns are a REALLY wild bunch of crazies. Looky at the Vikings fans, for example.
38 posted on 04/29/2003 11:42:10 AM PDT by ninenot (PACKERS RULE!)
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To: jdege
Just voted for "#5--MN Caught Up to Others". Freepers don't have all that much of a lead; we need more votes! Click here and Vote!
39 posted on 04/29/2003 11:49:31 AM PDT by disclaimer
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To: jdege
Frankly, it's very unsettling and a bad omen to me. Once the dust settles people won't even think about it.

Only Damien Thorne would carry a gun in public!

40 posted on 04/29/2003 11:54:50 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (THE PSYCHO NEWS CHANNEL: FEAR AND (MENTALLY) UNBALANCED!)
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