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Which War Are You Watching? -- The View from Spain
Veterans for Peace (mailing lists) ^ | 14 April 2003 | Dwight F. Reynolds

Posted on 04/27/2003 7:56:08 PM PDT by Greybird

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To: Greybird
What would happen if America ever had to face a real army?

Which "real army" are you referring to?

21 posted on 04/27/2003 8:36:17 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: dighton
LOL
22 posted on 04/27/2003 8:36:19 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: cardinal4
Well, if worse comes to absolute worst, you could print this article up and use it as toilet paper... Bad idea. The reason for toilet paper is to remove the fecal matter from my backside. I fear this article would leave more back there that I started with.
23 posted on 04/27/2003 8:37:55 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Paranoia is when you realize that tin foil hats just focus the mind control beams.)
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To: pfflier
Weren't the Euroweenies...

I rather like Eurinals.

24 posted on 04/27/2003 8:38:46 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: dighton
Greybird, you took a wrong turn somewhere. This ain't antiwar.com.

This ain't a pro-war or pro-Bush Website, either. It's tagged "Defending the Constitution." Including the phrase "The Congress shall have power [...] to declare war."

I've been here four years. I opposed Clinton's unconstitutional bombing of Serbia. I opposed Bush's unconstitutional (and Congressionally connived) usurpation of the warmaking power. You need a few around here who remind of you of this, or you're gonna forget what the concepts of consistency and fidelity to principle stand for.

25 posted on 04/27/2003 8:39:53 PM PDT by Greybird ("War is the health of the State." -- Randolph Bourne)
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To: KarlInOhio
LOL!!
26 posted on 04/27/2003 8:40:18 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Greybird
I've been here four years.

Only that long? It seems like forever.

27 posted on 04/27/2003 8:45:03 PM PDT by dighton (Amen-Corner Hatchet Team, Nasty Little Clique, Vulgar Horde)
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To: Greybird
The Spanish commentator simply looked directly into the camera, shook his head sadly, and mused: "One wonders what type of human being can refer to the death of a child as 'collateral damage.'"

Ah, yes, lectures on kindness towards foreigners from descendants of the Conquistadores and the Inquisitors...so edifying.

28 posted on 04/27/2003 8:49:42 PM PDT by RichInOC (...and of course, European journalists never lie...just like the Americans never do, either.)
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To: dighton
Only that long? It seems like forever.

Lingers like a bad beer fart.

29 posted on 04/27/2003 8:52:09 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Greybird
Franco olvidando en un generacion. Que basura.
30 posted on 04/27/2003 8:55:29 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Southack
Big case of gun barrell envy. Europeans believe envy is a virtue. They likey believe they're the victims of our victory.
31 posted on 04/27/2003 8:56:37 PM PDT by Justa
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To: cardinal4
If we stop worrying about other countries' perception of us, then we will have to prepare for more terrorism against us, and not wonder about why it happened.
32 posted on 04/27/2003 8:59:13 PM PDT by halfdome
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To: Greybird
In the immortal words of Nelson (Ricky, not Admiral):

But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself

---Garden Party
33 posted on 04/27/2003 9:04:03 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: Greybird
Well said. And thanks for posting the article. I think it is important as to what other nations think of the actions this nation takes. Now, I'm not saying that we suppress our national sovereignty by any means to do what is necessary to protect our borders. However, it is wise to know what is being said around the world
34 posted on 04/27/2003 9:05:20 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Greybird
~ Brits and Americans killed themselves and each other in a rash of "friendly fire" incidents.

If they think that's bad they should see how many Americans and Brits die while driving on American and Brit roads in the same time period.

Or how many people died daily from being suspended on a rope by the Iraqi regime, or were blown to bits by Iraqi-backed palestinian suicide bombers.

Come to think of it, how many palestinians blow themselves up because of inept bomb-making practices? We hear about them cooking off fairly regularly...

~ America's "smart weapons" proved not to be so smart, and instead caused horrifying destruction in marketplaces, buses, maternity wards, and civilian neighborhoods.

Yeah, right...did you hear all of that from Baghdad Bob, the guy who claime Iraqi forces had taken the Baghdad Airport rigtht about the time an Iraqi officer was sitting in the airport as a "guest" of the new occupants- the US- asking anyone who will listen "how long has he [Iraqi info minister] been lying like that? That was almost as horrifying as the "air raid shelter" over the command bunker idea in the first Gulf War, you know the one where the Iraqis got all sorts of Eurosnot sympathy when it was Iraq's problem they used people as human shields? It was really horrifying recently that Iraqi leaders decided to blow up the Shiite markets to kill two birds with one stone. Almost as horrifying as all those thousands of graves out there of political dissidents which don't raise a single European brow, since those deaths were pretty much bought and paid for with Francs.

It's funny how the foreign press- at least that part of it read by idiots belonging to "veterans for peace" , ie., "dishonorably discharged rejects for peace" or even "Mukhabaret Veterans for Peace," or "French veterans for peace " - didn't mention a single incident of Iraqi antiaircraft missiles falling on civilians, yet we know this is more likely to happen. Antiaircraft weapons shot into the air are far more numerous than incoming missiles, and have to fall somewhere. Since they are defensive weapons deployed in urban settings, it is natural for them to fall on civilians when they fail to intercept their targets. Owing to the nature of what we were dropping and sending, their antiaircraft weapons missed a LOT, and therefore fell upon their own kin.

You would think that the Europeans could grasp such a basic concepts before they go shooting off their mouths...

~ The Tomahawk missile system had to be taken offline not because it was missing its targets but because it was missing the entire country of Iraq(!) and instead landing in Saudi, Jordanian, and Syrian territories.

So, how could a cruise missile blow up a market in Iraq if it couldn't even hit the country? At least try to be consistant...

By the way, which country's troops are occupying Iraq's capital city? Which country's troops are sitting in Saddam Hussein's palaces? I didn't see the Fedeyeen munching MRE's in the White House...

~ The quick advances and welcoming crowds predicted by the Rumsfield cabal did not materialize,

They most certainly did. Have the Europeans been living in a rabbit hole?

and a panicked American military had to call for reinforcements of 120,000 new troops after only a few days of fighting.

For an article taken from a web site claiming to be associated with "veterans," they sure don't know diddly squat about the military. The "reinforcements" they are referring to were part of the original deployment of forces- indeed, they were called up BEFORE the war began. I doubt seriously that we panicked before the fact when we called them up before the war...

We called up others too and ended up not using them. Yawnnnnnn.....

35 posted on 04/27/2003 9:08:49 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Greybird
Sweetie, what color are the trees on your planet?
36 posted on 04/27/2003 9:11:50 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: Greybird

37 posted on 04/27/2003 9:21:49 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: Greybird
I thought this would be an interseting article, and it started that way. All too soon I realized that the author had gone from the 3rd person to the 1st person.

This was not a discussion of Spanish views; it was a monologue, and a waste of time.
38 posted on 04/27/2003 9:21:50 PM PDT by nicollo
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To: Greybird
The guy who wrote this article is a comemierda!!!!
39 posted on 04/27/2003 9:22:35 PM PDT by David1
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To: RichInOC
The Spanish commentator simply looked directly into the camera, shook his head sadly, and mused: "One wonders what type of human being can refer to the death of a child as 'collateral damage.'"

"Ah, yes, lectures on kindness towards foreigners from descendants of the Conquistadores and the Inquisitors...so edifying."

A better type than those that see the death of a child as winning the battle.

40 posted on 04/27/2003 9:24:57 PM PDT by kanawa
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