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To: pgyanke; Eric in the Ozarks
Allah is not the God of Abraham.

Umm help me out here. If Mad Mo or Islam is decended from Ishmael, the bastard son of Abraham, and the Egyptian salve woman (what's her name), then why is the above statement not so? Allah means God in arabic, no?

Granted Issac was the true legitiment heir of Sara and Abraham, but I don't think maternal or paternal lines of offspring changed God.

71 posted on 04/25/2003 2:30:37 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird
The short answer to your question is because the god of Islam bears little to no resemblance to "the God of Abraham." Just because they call it the same thing doesn't make it so.

Example: Heaven. In Islam, heaven is something that is described as basically carnal in nature (virgins and such). In Christianity, there is no real description of what the believer's existence will be like. (apparently because we don't have the wiring to comprehend it)

75 posted on 04/25/2003 2:39:56 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: AFreeBird
> Allah is not the God of Abraham.

>> Umm help me out here. If Mad Mo or Islam is decended from Ishmael, the bastard son of Abraham, and the Egyptian salve woman (what's her name), then why is the above statement not so? Allah means God in arabic, no?

They are not the same. The God of Abraham...

...from age to age does not change.
...is God in three persons; The Father, The Son and Holy Spirit.
...commands His servants to not judge their neighbor lest they be judged.
...teaches His servants to love their enemies.
...came in person to save His creation from eternal damnation.
...admonishes His followers to not kill their neighbors [without proper authority].
...calls Israel His Chosen People

Allah on the other hand...

...changed his mind from the Old Testament to the Koran since he no longer supports Israel's ancestral promises.
...is singular in nature; there is no trinity.
...commands his servants to judge their neighbors and prejudice their dealings based on personal judgement of their status as a "believer".
...teaches his servants to attack their enemies relentlessly and either exclude them from government and commerce or kill them if they don't convert.
...never came in person. Jesus was just another in a long line of prophets.
...instructs his followers to kill unbelievers and rewards individuals for voluntary martyrdom (something considered murder and suicide in Christendom).
...seeks the destruction of Jews and Christians. Favors the sons of Ishmael--who were rejected by the God of Abraham as not being His Chosen People.

They are most definitely NOT the same God.

79 posted on 04/25/2003 2:59:36 PM PDT by pgyanke (For evil to succeed, good men must do nothing.)
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To: AFreeBird
Granted Issac was the true legitiment heir of Sara and Abraham, but I don't think maternal or paternal lines of offspring changed God.

Not the issue.

Genesis 17: 19 Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. [1] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year."

81 posted on 04/25/2003 3:04:46 PM PDT by pgyanke (For evil to succeed, good men must do nothing.)
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To: AFreeBird
My suggestion on this page is not original.
Dante claimed to have seen Mohammad in Hell.
82 posted on 04/25/2003 3:12:03 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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