Republican Group Headed by Pres. Gerald Ford and VP Daughter Mary Cheney asks Santorum to Apologize

National Journal's Early Bird and NY Times ^ | April 24, 2003 | Mark Rodeffer

[Buckeye Bomber]

My point in this particular case is that the law can be very narrowly interpreted if we just use the equal protection clause. The problem with the Texas statute is that it bans anal and oral sex between members of the same sex, but not between a man and a woman. If you use my logic, the law can be struck down while leaving most other laws alone, as long as their regulations are not specific.

[puroresu]

If most gays just want to be left alone, why are so many trying to impose gay scout masters on the boy scouts, to force employers to hire men who wear dresses, to force St. Patrick's parades to include gay floats shaped like condoms, etc, etc, ad nauseum? Why are they so powerful in the Democratic and even Republican parties?

The gay agenda is not to allow gays to go off in private and do whatever they do. They've done that forever and always will. The gay agenda is designed to force homosexuality down everyone's throat, to indoctrinate children, and to suppress as "hate" any moral or religious disapproval of their conduct.

[Buckeye Bomber]

In my mind at least, there is a difference between hostility to Judeo-Christian values and open endorsement of said values. I try to live a life according to those principles. I think I am doing a better job of showing the way than people who shout at people on the street.

[bluecollarman]

"Or are you saying that sodomy between married people is OK, but sodomy between two unmarried heterosexuals is not?"

Okay I thought about it. Yes, that is what I am saying. The marriage contract gives you the right to consent. It changes a lot of things. Social Security, Tax status, retirement/death benefits.

I think this is a state's rights issue that must be decided on community values. This is no different than the polygamy issue.

Give me one Constitutional argument against Polygamy.

[RAT Patrol]

Most gays just want you to leave them alone.

See, sink, this is where we part ways. I have spent HOURS on the gay agenda threads. All I have wanted is for them to leave boy scouts, churches, big brothers, public school children, etc... alone. They demand forced approval. They want to equate dissent with their lifestyle to racism. They do not want to take their issues through legislatures; they want to win through intimidation and judicial activism. It has worked for the most part. When they lose a court case, like the boy scouts, they find ways to enact their will anyway.

So...I am not deceived when they try to say "just leave me alone." Other than the Texas case, they are the ones demanding I change my life, my beliefs, my values, my parenting...for them. It will never happen!!!! They are immoral just like prostitutes, adulterers, etc... Those words are not equal to the word "nigger" and neither is "gay."

[sinkspur]

The gay agenda is designed to force homosexuality down everyone's throat, to indoctrinate children, and to suppress as "hate" any moral or religious disapproval of their conduct.

That's the agenda of a minority of gays, yes. But the vast majority just want to live their lives and be left alone.

Do you even know any gay people?

[DoctorMichael]

I don't trust Jerry and Mary's comment, coming from a daughter, not anybody of real import, is likewise suspect.

Therefore............Who cares WHAT these dunderheads think.

Never surrender!

[FourPeas]

Ford is such an embarrassment.

[puroresu]

EXACTLY!!!!!!!

[eleni121]

Whether sodomy should or should not be legal is and continues to be a problem for many it appears. Lots of states say it is and some apply the laws only to homosexuals. I think it should remain a prerogative of the states and better yet to the communities to decide for themselves.

[berserker]

... the danger arises if the USSC rules against the law on fourth amendement grounds. If it becomes a privacy issue, the Pandora's Box is opened ... [posting 122]

That case has already been before the Supreme Court in Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 U.S. 186, 92 L.Ed.2d 140 (1986) (the case upheld the right of states to prohibit homosexual sodomy under a right to privacy challenge).

[eleni121]

Whether sodomy should or should not be legal or should of should not apply to all is and continues to be a problem for many it appears. Lots of states say it applies to all and some apply the laws only to homosexuals. I think it should remain a prerogative of the states and better yet to communities to decide for themselves.

[sinkspur]

The marriage contract gives you the right to consent. It changes a lot of things. Social Security, Tax status, retirement/death benefits.

So unmarried heterosexuals can't consent to sexual acts? Are you really saying that?

I think this is a state's rights issue that must be decided on community values. This is no different than the polygamy issue.

Polygamy is not legal in any state. In addition, polygamy involves third, and fourth and fifth parties who are harmed in other ways besides sexually.

Besides, polygamy is just an excuse for some fat 50 year old guy to invoke a weird religious pretext to have a harem.

[sinkspur]

Other than the Texas case, they are the ones demanding I change my life, my beliefs, my values, my parenting...for them.

Interesting. I've got some gay friends, and they don't try to influence me or my wife at all. In any way.

Maybe you wouldn't feel the way you do if you didn't spend HOURS on the gay threads at Free Republic. There are other things in life besides looking for gays under every bed.

[sinkspur]

Other than the Texas case, they are the ones demanding I change my life, my beliefs, my values, my parenting...for them.

Interesting. I've got some gay friends, and they don't try to influence me or my wife at all. In any way.

Maybe you wouldn't feel the way you do if you didn't spend HOURS on the gay threads at Free Republic. There are other things in life besides looking for gays under every bed.

[justshe]

A number of corporations/municipalities/state gov. cave because the cost of fighting the lawsuits is prohibitive...just as with any other 'agenda driven' group, like the environmentalists. Lest costly to take the Christmas tree down in the rotunda then to spend $XXXXXX fighting the lawsuit.

[Amelia]

Whether sodomy should or should not be legal or should of should not apply to all is and continues to be a problem for many it appears. Lots of states say it applies to all and some apply the laws only to homosexuals. I think it should remain a prerogative of the states and better yet to communities to decide for themselves.

I still want to know how you'd enforce such laws without violating the 4th Amendment?

[RAT Patrol]

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles." -Patrick Henry

"[I]f we and our posterity reject religious instruction and authority, violate the rules of eternal justice, trifle with the injunctions of morality, and recklessly destroy the political constitution which holds us together, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us, that shall bury all our glory in profound obscurity." -Daniel Webster

[RAT Patrol]

Maybe you wouldn't feel the way you do if you didn't spend HOURS on the gay threads at Free Republic. No, I still would. I read the news.

Do you have kids? If you do, do you want them to be taught that gay is normal in school? Do you want to send your son camping with a gay man? Do you want your church to be forced to hire gays?

It's all over the news. Perhaps it is not touching your life, but when it does, I bet you fight it with everything you have too.

My niece was introduced into the lesbian lifestyle in juvenile detention. She was then befriended by some lesbians 10+ years older than her. She died last year of a gunshot wound to the head. She had foster kids at the time too. Yeah, this issue has affected my life directly.

[Buckeye Bomber]

I don't see how those quotes take down my argument. God belongs in our hearts and our actions at all times. I don't believe He belongs on our lips at all times.

I'd say that the current case before the Supreme Court has a greater chance of destroying our constitution than of undermining religion. Notice how Webster says destroying religion or the Constitution both could cause catastrophes.