Then get busy and figure out how you get from here to there without some intermediate such as the NRST to make the real cost of such programs apparent to all receiving them.
I don't have a problem with a sales tax, I don't think. I just want it to be fair and not create dependence and familiarity with the government, that is all.
Guaranteed, as long as people keep believing that FICA is just another set of insurance/retirement contributions instead of the regressive tax on personal income that it really is, that is unlikely to come about.
Exactly, and how long before people will come to believe the 'rebate' is a form of security and a necessity to them. HOw long before they plan their entire lives around that rebate. Do we want to create that mindset and in the entire population. I don't.
Kill the FICA tax and put it clearly within that which is known to be general federal tax payments, as it is in reality under both law and concept, is one of the first steps necessary towards killing that system.
Until SS/Mediscare is gone don't bother to complain to me about people get some of their tax payments back through the FCA mechanism of the NRST. The damage is already done and your pitiful worry over telling government where to send tax overpayments to you holds no water agains much larger issues not being dealt with.
Once again, you have made my point - SS/medicare have been a disaster for everyone - but especially for the mindset and quality of life for the elderly. We do have some folks left out here that don't feel that need for government support yet - do you want all of them to feel that? It will happen - you know it will. And along those lines, you don't feel you will acquire that mindset - I am sure I won't either - but don't you think we will be in the minority and when all the ones who 'feel the need' from the government starts voting their 'needs' - it isn't long until we have changes. Haven't we seen that. Monthly checks will just create more and more constituents for the liberal politicians.
I am not sure about much of anything - except I don't want to create a lot more government leaners. If a sales tax would work - make it smaller - and make it all inclusive. You see, the only reason the 'rebate' is being put in is because of special interests and it is also the reason the tax rate will be so high. I don't know if sales tax will do it at all - but I do know, if 23 to 30%, with rebate will do it - 10 to 15% without rebate will also do it. Just think about how much money will be saved by eliminating the government paperwork for these rebates.
Now if there are people out there whose very lives will be snuffed out with a 10% sales tax - this country is in bad shape and we need to be doing more than worrying about tax changes.
I really have to go to bed now - we have solved nothing - but at least we 'cussed and discussed'.
I just want it to be fair and not create dependence and familiarity with the government, that is all.
Fair is always in the eyes of the beholder. What is fair about government taxing one's survival sustainance?
Exactly, and how long before people will come to believe the 'rebate' is a form of security and a necessity to them.
It is a necessity to them, it assures that government does not take from that which is necessary to survival.
Once again, you have made my point - SS/medicare have been a disaster for everyone - but especially for the mindset and quality of life for the elderly.
The tax system as it currently exists with a regressive payroll tax, and would exist under a Retail Sales Tax without adjustment for taxing survival level expenditures only assures failure of certain groups of folks at the lower margins of the economy.
We do have some folks left out here that don't feel that need for government support yet - do you want all of them to feel that?
Who is that? If they don't feel the need for support, they have that which beyond the necessary to their survival. No reason for such folks to ever feel "need for government support" ever. The FCA in such case is merely available to them compensating overpayment of taxes taken from them.
For the survival level folks, that FCA makes the difference beween being litterally being taxed to death and survival.
It will happen - you know it will.
You are a mind reader and clairvoyant now? Gee such capacity and talent.
And along those lines, you don't feel you will acquire that mindset - I am sure I won't either - but don't you think we will be in the minority and when all the ones who 'feel the need' from the government starts voting their 'needs' - it isn't long until we have changes. Haven't we seen that.
Without enactment of the NRST, which I assure you will not occur without the FCA or some provision for tax exception open to manipulation on the same order and worse, were will continue the way it is now regardless.
Monthly checks will just create more and more constituents for the liberal politicians.
I always find that condescending mentality that demands some to want to protect others from themselves to be interesting. They alway exclude themselve from the possibility of such corruptions but cannot find it within themselves to extend the same consideration to that remainder of the masses out there.
Sorry I don't buy, a tax overpayment returned to the constituent is still a returned tax overpayment out of what is rightfully theirs and necessary to their survival. It is so nice that you insist that the government keep it for their sake.
I am not sure about much of anything - except I don't want to create a lot more government leaners.
No, you would rather create just an even more serious dependancy of the lowest levels of the economic rungs of a portion of that which is necessary to their survival instead; merely for the matter of philisophical purity and protecting others from their awful inclinations, not felt by you of course.
You see, the only reason the 'rebate' is being put in is because of special interests and it is also the reason the tax rate will be so high.
Personally I have strong philosphical reasons to not allow government to tax survival at any level. As far as tax rate being so high, until you manage to kill a few major programs under the current tax system or figure out how you are going to get your preferred tax system in place over the political objections of liberals I figure you are going to be stuck with such.
What is your plan to get a tax system in place without some progressive character to it? I would like to know how you intend to manage this magic trick. Until you manage your trick, we will continue with the current system or worst. I'm all ears.
Now if there are people out there whose very lives will be snuffed out with a 10% sales tax - this country is in bad shape and we need to be doing more than worrying about tax changes.
What 10% sale tax is in line to be enacted? None I know of.
Revenue Neutrality lady, you aren't going to get such enacted or even to the floor of Congress without prior repeal of government programs sufficient to allow that rate to even be proposed.
Of course you might try slight of hand and create a compounding tax system that fools the people and still taxes them at a higher effective rate. But that is not what I will support.
TRUTH in TAXATION is what we ain't got already. I'm not interested in schemes that perpetuate that sort of system, that we already have that with the corporate business taxes.
I really have to go to bed now - we have solved nothing - but at least we 'cussed and discussed'.
Sounds good to me, I suggest you sleep on it, and come up with some retail sales tax proposal that has a chance for enactment that is better than the NRST H.R.25 and provides the same revenue neutrality with current law that is necessary for political survival beyond five seconds of House debate and Senate challenge by filibuster.