[HalfFull]

This thread began with a discussion of a cartoon that is insulting to Christians who simply believe in what the Bible says: God Created Man from nothing in less than 24 hours.

Now, there are some evolutionists who had to jump on this thread who also claim they are Christians. I would ask them to consider this question:

If Evolution is correct, then why do we need the redemptive work of Christ? Does not the Bible teach that according to the redemptive work of Christ, man was created perfect but he fell in sin and CHrist was promised to restore the man to his original perfection? If evolution is correct, then the Bible itself is not a revelation of God, nor is Christ the Son of God, but the Bible would be reduced to a product of man himself, seeking to find something higher and better.

If evolution is true, then sin did not cause death, and therefore we do not need redemption from sin that, according to the Bible, causes our death.

Evolutionists who also claim to be Christians cannot have it both ways.

[eagleman]

HalfFull,

This thread began with a discussion of a cartoon that is insulting to Christians who simply believe in what the Bible says: God Created Man from nothing in less than 24 hours. Now, there are some evolutionists who had to jump on this thread who also claim they are Christians. I would ask them to consider this question: If Evolution is correct, then why do we need the redemptive work of Christ? Does not the Bible teach that according to the redemptive work of Christ, man was created perfect but he fell in sin and CHrist was promised to restore the man to his original perfection?

The sinfulness of man is obvious whether or not there was an actual literal Adam who sinned. I find the notion that the sin of one man is inherited completely obscure. *How* is it inherited? *Why* would Adam's children inherit the blame for his mistake? It doesn't make any sense. What does make sense is that the beginning of Genesis is an allegory (or, actually, 2 allegories: there are two creation stories in Genesis, they even contradict each other at some points), and that each of us "falls" in our individual lives when we disobey God due to our own pride and ambition. Thus we still need redemption.

If evolution is true, then sin did not cause death, and therefore we do not need redemption from sin that, according to the Bible, causes our death.

Another fantastically obscure notion. How can sin *cause* death? Especially death in other animals? Spiritual death, of course, is another matter entirely. Your argument here isn't even with evolution - all them Intelligent Design advocates accept an old earth and animal death before humans (there are plenty of fossils with e.g. fish in the stomachs of other fish), yet they are perfectly respectable Christians. Or are you saying that Phil Johnson is not a Christian because of his views about the age of the earth?

Evolutionists who also claim to be Christians cannot have it both ways.

No wonder so many scientists become atheists. They are chased out of the religion by people like you, just for asking questions and taking a serious look at evidence.