DA thinks it's Laci

A memorial continues to grow in front of Laci Peterson's home on Covena Avenue in Modesto amid growing speculation the bodies of an adult female and baby boy recovered from the SF Bay are Laci and her son.

Tiffany Roe, facing, and her sister-in-law, Raynette Roe, hug at the memorial set up in front of Laci Peterson's home Wednesday. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Stanislaus County District Attorney James Brazelton said Wednesday he thinks Laci Peterson is the woman whose body was found this week along San Francisco Bay. "I feel pretty strongly it is (her)," the county's top prosecutor said. "It's too much of a coincidence to have a female and a baby found close to each other a day apart and no others were reported missing. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on it."

Asked about what Brazelton had said about the missing Modesto woman, Police Chief Roy Wasden responded: "We're not discussing this investigation. That includes our feelings and suspicions."

But even an official at the state DNA lab said analysts are focusing on Peterson as they try to identify the remains.

"To date, we don't have another person in mind," John Tonkyn, supervisor of the missing person DNA program, said at a Wednesday afternoon news conference at the lab in Richmond.

Brazelton, within a few hours of making his statements, issued a news release stating that the district attorney's office will no longer comment on the Peterson investigation.

The Police Department began the investigation as a missing person case Christmas Eve, then reclassified it March 5 -- calling it a homicide. Police have not commented on the bodies found at the bay -- though the department is standing by to take jurisdiction if they are linked to the case.

Peterson was eight months pregnant, carrying a son, at the time of her disappearance.

Authorities in Contra Costa County, which has jurisdiction for now, have described the baby's body as a "full-term male child." The body was found Sunday about 15 feet from the waterline in south Richmond, and authorities believe that the body washed ashore.

The woman's body was found the next day at Point Isabel Regional Shoreline, about a mile away, and authorities suspect that it too washed ashore.

Autopsies on the decomposed bodies failed to reveal cause of death or the identity of either, officials said Tuesday.

Authorities are now turning to DNA testing. It could take days, weeks or longer, a coroner's spokesman said.

Tissue and bone samples from both bodies have gone to the state Justice Department's DNA laboratory.

"The big question mark now in my mind is whether they have good DNA material," Brazelton said. "Let's hope they do."

Lab technicians determined late Wednesday that samples from the baby's body contained enough intact DNA to be used for testing, an official said.

A determination on the adult female sample is likely to be made today, state Department of Justice spokesman Nathan Barankin said by telephone from Sacramento.

"We've determined that we can yield a usable DNA profile from the fetus sample," Barankin said. "We're doing a little more work on the adult sample to finally determine whether we will be able to get a usable DNA profile."

Barankin said the results were not an indication that one body had decomposed more than the other.

Lab officials said they had assigned the case a "very high priority," but that results still could be weeks away.

Technicians are working with a tibia, the larger of the two bones between the knee and ankle, from the woman's body, and a femur, or thigh bone, from the baby's body, said Eva Steinberger, assistant bureau chief at the lab.

Richmond police Sgt. Enos Johnson said the baby's body was so badly decomposed that he could not determine if the umbilical cord was still attached when it was found. "It was in very, very bad condition," he said.

Lab technicians hope to compare DNA from the bodies with a hair sample from Laci Peterson and inner-cheek swabs from her parents, Steinberger said.

Lab officials declined to comment on whether they had a DNA sample from Scott Peterson, the missing woman's husband. Such a sample could be used to compare with the DNA sample from the baby.

But a sample from the father is not required to determine if the woman and child are related, Tonkyn said.

He said the lab prefers to get long bones and teeth samples for DNA testing when dealing with skeletal remains, but said no teeth were submitted in this case.

Coroner's officials on Wednesday continued to withhold comment on the condition of the bodies when discovered.

A forensic anthropologist who specializes in submerged bodies examined the corpses for about 4 1/2 hours Wednesday, coroner's spokesman Jimmy Lee said by telephone from Martinez.

"In particular, we're trying to find out what happened after the bodies were in the water," Lee said. "We're looking at what type of damage was inflicted."

The specialist also was trying to determine how long the bodies were submerged, Lee said.

A pathologist determined that a bone found south of the Berkeley Marina on Monday was not human.

Modesto police Sgt. Ron Cloward said police last conducted a water search in the Richmond area March 29, about two miles from where the two bodies were found. He said they were discovered in an area that police had searched previously.

"We spent a whole day hovering over that area in helicopters," Cloward said. "The water there is about 5 or 6 feet deep. It was too shallow there to use the kind of boats and equipment we were using."

It is hard to win a murder case without having recovered a body or without determining a cause of death, experts say. But it is not impossible.

In fact, it is being done more and more as prosecutors become emboldened by uncontested DNA evidence and other ever-improving technology.

The Laci Peterson case may become Stanislaus County's first in either category -- a missing body or no cause of death -- depending on laboratory test results. District Attorney James Brazelton said Wednesday that he will not shy away as long as his people have enough evidence.

"Let's face it: You have to establish somehow that the victim died of some form of criminal (act)," said Stephen Lungen, district attorney of Sullivan County in New York. Last week, he coaxed a guilty verdict from a jury in the trial of a man whose wife disappeared three years before her skeleton was found in March 2002.

The victim had been stuffed in a trash can tied with a military parachute cord. No evidence linked her husband to the murder, but Lungen pointed out that the husband had been a Green Beret paratrooper.

A half-century ago, no-cause-of-death and no-body prosecutions were unheard of. That changed when a Los Angeles jury in 1957 did not buy paint salesman L. Ewing Scott's "no body, no crime" defense. He served 21 years of a life sentence for having murdered his wife and confessed a year before his death in 1987.

Since then, such cases have slowly gained more acceptance. Nowadays, they are among the highest-profile cases in the nation. Los Angeles County alone has prosecuted dozens.

Experts say lack of a body can be overcome if prosecutors demonstrate that a person would not disappear without good reason. Early in the Peterson case, Modesto police declared that they had no reason to suspect her to have gone off on her own, because she was close to her family in Modesto, and she was expecting a baby.

Next, prosecutors must accumulate enough circumstantial evidence to link a suspect to the disappearance.

Remains undergo DNA testing
LACI PETERSON CASE: SALIVA FROM MODESTO WOMAN'S PARENTS MAY HELP IDENTIFY BODIES:

RICHMOND - Strands of hair from Laci Peterson's brush and saliva samples submitted by her parents will help scientists determine whether the remains of a woman and a fetus washed up on the Richmond shoreline this week are that of the missing Modesto woman and her unborn child.

Analysis is under way at the California Attorney General's Office crime lab in Richmond, where scientists on Wednesday began the meticulous process of extracting DNA from the tibia -- shinbone -- and muscle tissue of the female victim, and the femur -- thighbone -- and muscle tissue of the fetus.

``The cases have been assigned very high priority,'' Eva Steinberger, assistant chief of the Bureau of Forensic Services, said at a news conference Wednesday.

Still, it could be several days or even weeks before they'll be able to determine conclusively whether the bodies are those of the Modesto mother and son, she said.

``Nothing's changed; we're just waiting,'' Modesto police spokesman Doug Ridenour said Wednesday. ``If it is Laci, we're hopeful she can be identified. We don't know. It's up to the scientists and the doctors.''

Peterson, 27, a substitute teacher, was eight months pregnant when she vanished Christmas Eve. Her husband, Scott Peterson, 30, said he last saw his wife as he left that morning for a fishing trip in the Berkeley Marina, about two miles south of where the bodies were discovered. The fetus was found on Sunday; the woman's about a mile away, on Monday.

Scott Peterson has not been named a suspect, but he also has not been ruled out.

John Tonkyn, supervisor in charge of the Richmond lab's Missing Person DNA Program, evaded questions about whether Scott Peterson would be asked to submit fluid samples to help scientists determine the paternity of the fetus. The Contra Costa County Coroner's Office has said the fetus was a full-term boy; the Petersons were expecting a son.

Tonkyn said Laci Peterson's family could provide everything they need to make a conclusive match.

``We generally collect DNA samples from family members: cheek swabs from parents, siblings and children of the missing person,'' Tonkyn said.

The condition of the remains will determine which of two testing methods scientists will use. If the bone and muscle samples are well-preserved, a nuclear DNA test will show whether the remains contain the same unique DNA fingerprinting Laci Peterson would have inherited from her parents and passed on to her child.

But if the remains are too badly decomposed, a more sensitive but less discriminating, mitochondrial DNA test will be conducted, Tonkyn said. That test relies on DNA inherited only from the mother that is common among siblings.

Meanwhile, a forensic anthropologist from the University of California-Santa Cruz was brought in Wednesday to determine the race and approximate age of the fetus and adult female, said Jimmy Lee, Contra Costa County Sheriff's Department spokesman.

He was otherwise tight-lipped about the case, including such details as how much of the woman's body washed ashore and whether she was wearing maternity clothes.

The Contra Costa Times has reported that investigators close to the case said the adult's body was missing the head, part of a leg and arm -- and was clothed in maternity-brand underwear.

``We're examining whether or not the body had some clothing,'' Lee said. ``I understand it did have a bra.''

Lee declined to confirm reports about whether the female victim's head was missing. But he did say samples from the woman's shinbone ``are what we're dealing with.''

Lee said other bones found since Sunday, both at the Berkeley and Richmond marinas, and turned in by residents are believed to be animal remains.

RICHMOND - Using a femur, a tibia and decomposing muscle tissue, state forensic investigators said today they hope to divine the identities of two bodies found this week along the city shoreline.

Authorities say that barring complications it could take two weeks to tell whether the body of a woman that washed up Monday at Point Isabel Regional Shoreline belongs to missing Modesto woman Laci Peterson, and whether the "full-term fetus" discovered the day before was her child.

"We do not consider this to be a long time," said Dr. John Tonkyn, supervisor of the state Attorney General's Missing Persons Unit at the state DNA lab in Richmond. "We consider it an appropriate amount of time to get accurate results."

However, identifying the samples leap-frogged to the top of the lab's priority list this week out of consideration for Peterson's family, authorities said.

If officials find the bodies are related, whoever killed the woman could be charged with double homicide for killing the child, making it a possible death penalty case.

California's fetal homicide law outlaws killing a fetus beyond eight weeks gestation during a criminal act.

Scientists will extract DNA from all samples provided Monday by the Contra Costa Coroner's Office and compare it to DNA pulled from hairs harvested from Peterson's hairbrush and cheek swabs from her parents, Tonkyn said.

The poor condition of the bodies may prevent the lab from collecting undamaged DNA, Tonkyn said, meaning authorities would need more material from the coroner's office and additional time to complete the job.

Nuclear DNA testing will produce best results, allowing scientists to compare the "unique DNA fingerprint" of the woman's body with Peterson's genetic material. But that requires undamaged genetic material from a cell nucleus.

If cells in the muscle tissue the coroner provided are too degraded for nuclear testing, scientists can analyze mitochondria -- tiny structures outside a cell's nucleus -- that also contain DNA.

Mitochondrial testing requires more time and is less exact, Tonkyn said, capable only of matching an unidentified body with maternal relatives.

Either test could potentially identify the bodies in question. But there is a chance that the coroner's samples will prove too decomposed.

"The fact that the body was in the water does not make it that different than a body that was just out in the environment," Tonkyn said. "When DNA decomposes, it's harder to get a DNA profile, but not impossible."

There has to be a special place in hell for a man who doesn't ensure the safety and well-being of his unborn child and that child's mother.

While we wait to hear if the bodies of the woman and newborn male that washed up on the Northern California shoreline are Laci Peterson and her unborn son, we can't help but be reminded of the times we went through these same motions only to learn mother and child were harmed or killed by the father.

In 1989 in Boston, Charles Stuart killed his pregnant wife and blamed the murder on a black male so he could collect on her insurance policy. Some 5,000 black men were reportedly detained or questioned as police looked for the killer.

Apparently at the end of the line, Stuart took his own life. Most of us remember seeing authorities pull his lifeless body from the Charles River.

What we probably remember most about former NFL player Rae Carruth is that after girlfriend Cherica Adams died, he fled Charlotte. FBI agents found him in Tennessee, hiding in the trunk of a friend's car at a motel.

Adams, who was eight months pregnant, was following Carruth in a separate automobile. According to a taped 911 call made by Adams, Carruth stopped his car in front of hers while gunmen in a third vehicle pulled alongside her and shot her four times. (One bullet, according to doctors, missed the baby by an inch.) When police arrived, she was able to tell them "I'm pregnant and I'm shot."

Prosecutors also said that before Adams died -- a month after being shot -- she scribbled notes that apparently implicated Carruth.

The baby, who was blue from lack of oxygen, was delivered by emergency Caesarian section. His heart nearly stopped beating during delivery. He has brain damage and cerebral palsy. At 14 months, he could not do what is considered "normal" for a 4-month-old to do.

Then there's Larry Gene Heath of Phenix City, who was executed March 20, 1992, for the Aug. 31, 1981, kidnap-murder of his nine-months-pregnant wife, Rebecca McGuire Heath. Heath reportedly left home to meet the two men in Columbus he hired to kill his wife. He led them back to his residence, gave them the keys to his car and left in his girlfriend's pickup truck. Heath and the girlfriend reportedly watched the wife's abduction from a nearby churchyard.

Some of these men would be pathetic if they weren't such psychopaths. Heath and Stuart made very dramatic gestures at their wives' funerals. Stuart with his eulogy, and Heath by kissing his wife and their baby and openly crying crocodile tears.

In these cases, the men used murder to get themselves out of the messes they'd made of their lives. They ridded themselves of the wife or girlfriend who no longer served their purpose. But how do you reconcile killing your child?

If the bodies of the baby boy and the woman are not Scott Peterson's family, he's still on the hook for doing whatever he was doing the day his pregnant wife "disappeared."

ID focus only on Modesto woman

ID focus only on Modesto woman
Discovery of pregnant female, infant leaves 1 option: Laci Peterson.

Bee News Services
(Published Thursday, April 17, 2003, 4:45 AM)

RICHMOND -- The identification of two bodies found in San Francisco Bay is focused solely on whether it was Laci Peterson and the baby she was carrying, a state crime lab supervisor said Wednesday.

The lab is comparing DNA from Peterson and her parents with tissue and bone taken from the decomposed bodies of a woman and infant boy found earlier this week less than two miles apart on the rocky shoreline of this city.

"We don't have another person in mind," said John Tonkyn, supervisor of the state Attorney General's Missing Persons Unit at the state DNA lab in Richmond.

Barring complications, it might take two weeks to tell whether the woman's body that washed up Monday at Point Isabel Regional Shoreline belonged to the missing Modesto woman, authorities said, and whether the "full-term fetus" discovered the day before near the Richmond Marina was her child.

"We do not consider this to be a long time," Tonkyn said. "We consider it an appropriate amount of time to get accurate results."

Peterson, 27, a substitute teacher, vanished on Christmas Eve from her Modesto home, 90 miles southeast of Richmond. Her husband, Scott, 30, said he last saw her as he left to go fishing that morning at the Berkeley Marina, not far from where the bodies were found.

Stanislaus County District Attorney James Brazelton said Wednesday he thinks the woman's body found this week is Peterson's,
"I feel pretty strongly it is [her]," the county's top prosecutor said. "It's too much of a coincidence to have a female and a baby found close to each other a day apart and no others were reported missing. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on it."

The DNA lab received from the coroner muscle tissue and a leg bone taken from the woman's body, and muscle tissue and a thigh bone from what Tonkyn described as a "full-term fetus."

Longer bones, such as the tibia and femur, are most likely to contain usable genetic samples, Tonkyn said.

The lab was analyzing cheek swabs taken from Laci Peterson's parents and hair from her hairbrush. Those results will be compared with DNA from the bodies that were found.

When asked why they weren't using dental records, Tonkyn said the lab wasn't provided with teeth from the Contra Costa County Coroner's office.

"Sometimes not a full skeleton has been found," Tonkyn said.

Published reports have said the woman's body was headless. The full-term baby still had an umbilical cord attached.

If officials find the bodies are related and rule the case a homicide, whoever killed the woman could be charged with double homicide for killing the child, making it a possible death penalty case. Modesto police changed the status of the Laci Peterson case from a missing-person to a homicide case in March.

California's fetal homicide law outlaws killing a fetus beyond eight weeks gestation during a criminal act.

Other forensic scientists said Wednesday that they doubted any meaningful evidence would be left if the body is indeed that of Peterson and has been in the water since Dec. 24.

While a body recently placed in water may have wounds or other signs of trauma indicating how the victim died, a body that is severely decomposed will reveal no soft-tissue trauma. Wounds that affect bones will produce evidence -- a gunshot wound to the skull, for example, or intentional dismemberment.

Despite the popular television shows, those kinds of telltale signs are rare.

Even a body in water a relatively short time may yield no concrete cause of death.

"If we pull a body out of the water, and we've ruled out obvious trauma, like a gunshot wound, it would probably go as an undetermined death," said Dr. Stephany Fiore, a Sacramento medical examiner who was working in New York City in September 2001 and helped perform autopsies and identifications on victims of the World Trade Center terrorist attacks. "You can't do much on a decomposed body."

If the woman's body is not identified as Laci Peterson, the lab will begin comparing the samples with likely matches in a database of 100 DNA samples of other missing people or their relatives. The state has more than 25,000 active missing-person cases.

Laci Peterson's family members remained sequestered Wednesday in Modesto.

"There's no news; we're just waiting," said Ron Grantski, Laci Peterson's stepfather. "Until they confirm there really isn't anything."

Scott Peterson, a fertilizer salesman, has not been seen in Modesto in recent days. He hasn't surfaced publicly since the bodies were discovered Sunday and Monday.

While Laci Peterson's family issued a brief statement Tuesday, not a word has come from his camp. Scott Peterson has not been named as a suspect in his wife's disappearance, but police have seized his boat, truck and nearly 100 items from his house.

His father, Lee, told reporters Tuesday at his house north of San Diego that he didn't know where his son was.

"What if Scott were here?" he asked. "Is that a big deal?"

The lawn in front of the house the couple shared was freshly cut Wednesday, but neighbors said someone had stopped by and cut it the night before. Scott Peterson hasn't been seen in the neighborhood for more than a week.

The property manager of the building where Scott Peterson rented an office, a man who identified himself only as Mark, said Scott Peterson moved out earlier this year and is trying to find someone to take over the lease for another six to eight months.

The Associated Press, The Sacramento Bee, The Modesto Bee and Contra Costa Times contributed to this report.

I was adding this link here, because many of ya are worldwide on the web: a heads up alert from Cali...

National all-points bulletin for parolee in officer slaying

The Associated Press
(Published Thursday, April 17, 2003, 4:55 AM)

Pittsburg (AP) - - Pittsburg police have issued a national all-points bulletin for a parolee who lived in the house where a detective working on a week-old murder was shot to death.

A Pittsburg police spokeswoman says Earl Foster Junior is wanted for questioning in the death of homicide inspector Ray Giacomelli. The 46-year-old detective is the first Pittsburg officer killed on duty in nearly 70 years.

Giacomelli was to meet another inspector Tuesday at a home where they were investigating a case. When the second officer arrived, he found Giacomelli dead from gunshot wounds.

Police searched the home of Foster's sister and his father's car with guns drawn and accompanied by police dogs - but came up empty-handed.

Officials say Foster hasn't been named a suspect in Giacomelli's death - but his outstanding parole violation means investigators are eager to question him.

Police agencies nationwide have been asked to look out for Foster's car, a gold Mercedes 300 E with gold rims and tinted windows.

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Pinging Boston

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CALIF. LAB STILL TESTING FOUND BODIES

"The lab was analyzing cheek swabs taken from the missing woman's parents and hair from her hairbrush. Those findings will be compared with DNA from the bodies that were found. The child's body still had the umbilical cord attached.

Asked why investigators weren't using dental records, Tonkyn said the lab wasn't provided with teeth from the Contra Costa County Coroner's office. "Sometimes not a full skeleton has been found," Tonkyn said.

According to published reports, the mostly skeletal adult body was clad in maternity undergarments, without a head and missing parts of the limbs.

Laci Peterson's family members remained sequestered in Modesto on Wednesday. "There's no news, we're just waiting," stepfather Ron Grantski said. "Until they confirm there really isn't anything."

There is a did SP do it or not poll on this site

More of what the DNA lab specimens

DNA Process to Identify Bodies Could Take Weeks

"Modesto police chief Roy Wasden called on the lab to make the tests a priority.

Workers confirmed that they have a tibia, a bone from the lower leg, as well as muscle tissue from the woman. They also have a femur, or thigh bone, and muscle tissue from the infant, which the coroner now classifies as a full term male fetus. The bones are important, because bone marrow can sometimes be a source of uncontaminated DNA."

A video clip is on this page/link.

Could The Laci Peterson Mystery Soon be Solved?

"The female torso that they are examining had on a nursing bra commonly worn in late pregnancy and the bones are consistent with Laci's petite frame. There is a growing sense of hope that the missing Laci Peterson case may be solved. There is a sense that this would bring relief for the department, the family and relief for the community.

If there is a positive identification, investigators in Modesto say that they plan to bring Laci's husband Scott in for more questioning. Expect for his lawyer nobody knows where Scott Peterson is right now, not even his parents."

Hopefully this is why MPD is waiting, for official word to bite SP's yap off!

ummm, don't read this if you haven't eaten...:o)

Experts: How Dead Woman Could Deliver Baby

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Experts: How Dead Woman Could Deliver Baby

Apr. 16 (AP) — Investigators searching for a link between the bodies of a woman and an infant boy that washed ashore separately on the Richmond waterfront may find clues in an unusual medical phenomenon called "coffin birth."

Coffin birth is a term used by coroners for a spontaneous birth by a dead pregnant woman. It occurs when the gas that builds up naturally in the abdomen and pelvic area of a decomposing body produces enough pressure to push the unborn baby through the birth canal and out the corpse.

Boyd Stephens, chief medical examiner for San Francisco, said the term does not get much usage anymore since it was coined when bodies were much less likely to be embalmed. "If a body is properly embalmed, it's not likely to happen," he said.

Stephens said that when a pregnant woman dies and her body is not embalmed, it could take weeks or even months for a post-mortem birth to take place.

"If someone is pregnant and decomposing in a temperature of 110 degrees, it will happen much more quickly than if they're decomposing in a temperature of 40 degrees," he said.

Another explanation for how a fetus could become separated from its dead mother is if her body was torn open in death or decomposed to the point where there was nothing to hold the baby inside, according to Stephens.

Published reports have suggested the adult body found in Richmond came ashore with no head or legs, but a Contra Costa County sheriff's deputy declined to comment on the reports.

From ABC/KGO7

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Police Search For Suspect In Cop Killing

Police are searching for Earl Foster Jr. in connection with the killing of a Pittsburg police officer. (ABC7)

Ray Giacomelli, 46, was a 23-year veteran of the Pittsburg Police Department. (Contra Costa Times)

Apr. 16
(BCN) — Pittsburg police are looking for Earl Foster Jr. in connection with the killing of a 23-year veteran of the Pittsburg Police Department.

Foster is a resident of the home where Ray Giacomelli, 46, was found dead by a fellow police officer scheduled to meet him there to follow up on a case.

The police sergeant said Foster is the only man being sought for questioning in the case.

Ray Giacomelli, 46, was a 23-year veteran of the Pittsburg Police Department. (Contra Costa Times)

Giacomelli, a 23-year veteran of the Pittsburg Police Department and a homicide inspector for the past 10 years, received numerous awards throughout his career including the Silver Medal of Valor, Chief Baker said.

Giacomelli, who lived in Brentwood, leaves behind a wife and two daughters.

Law enforcement from around Contra Costa County, including the sheriff's office, the district attorney's office and the Pittsburg Police Department have launched a massive effort to identify and find whoever is responsible.

"We will spare no resource," said Lt. Dan Terry of the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Office.

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