Sen. Rockefeller: Iraq Democracy is "Pipe Dream" and Not Desirable; They Can't Handle It

Whether you call it "democracy" or, more accurately, representative republic, I don't imagine JDR the Fourth has much use for it.

So who is this Jay Rockefeller clown anyway??

I think he's a racist bigot.

It is in the human condition to want to be free. They may not know how to do it but we've been practicing for 200 years and we'll give them some tips.

The Kurds have done it in 10 years all on their own what makes them think that the rest of Iraq can't do it?

I've watched what little of the news we've had from up north and the Kurds seem reasonable, happy, and hard working. Their cheer and optimism shows me that they've had a taste of freedom and that they fight for themselves and the rest of Iraq shows that they want that freedom for the rest of Iraq.

This bozo is yet another example of an heir miserably failing to meet standards set by his ancestors.

In 1776 , there was no office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance helping Americans establish essential services like water, basic medical care and electricity and we've turned out just fine thank you very much.

"If a democracy succeeded in Iraq, it would be a 20-30 year process, Rockefeller said. "(Democracy) is not desirable at this point. The (Iraqi) people are not ready for a democracy.""

This is where the moron completely destroys his credibility because EVERY human being is ready for, deserves, and is entitled to freedom and democracy.

Obvioiusly, deep down this jackass is another one who looks at humanity the same way he looks down upon his employees- with contempt.

EXACTLY!

This is typical leftist thought--that people are stupid, they can't be trusted, and so they must be governed by force. Its the ideology behind any authoritarianism. Don't trust your neighbor. Don't trust anyone. Its also why the leftists are so keen to take away your guns--they don't trust you, and don't think your capable of handling them.

Typical leftist stuff--and so very scary and dangerous.

EXACTLY!

He is part of that group of useless loafs who seek public office to dumbify as much of the population as possible and make them dependent upon handouts who are then eager to re-elect them and the cycle continues until productive, law-abiding citizens are taxed to slavery supporting the waste and FREEPERS then lead the revolt to expel the parasites and restore America. HOOOAAA!

Comrade Rockefeller is more like it.

I just can't believe how someone can have all the access and privileges and opportunities to learn as a US Senator and STILL be SOOOO ignorant.

He has no clue about this country's virtues and what freedom is all about.

What an ASS!

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Neither was imposed by U.S. "nation builders."

As the President has stated repeatedly, the people of Iraq will choose their own leaders and their own form of government in a free election after the transitional government is in place and the country has been sufficiently stabilized. In case you haven't noticed, the people of Iraq are welcoming their new freedom. It's not likely that they will want to give it up and return to a system of despotism.

Virtually every free society on earth arose from a prior condition of tyranny. Go back 5,000 years and you find no mention of all those things a free people like us take for granted -- general suffrage, individual rights and freedoms, etc. These weren't even an afterthought back then. And yet somehow, free societies have all sprouted from the apparently inhospital soil of despotic rule of one sort or another -- including our society.

Nothing of any value has ever been accomplished with a mindset of pessimism and defeat.

"...opportunities to learn..."

Those born into wealthy and privileged families often feel they are better than the rest of us and are drawn to elitist systems like fascism and communism. They don't trust the common people to know what's best for them but they have an unshakeable conviction that they know what's "best" for the rest of us. They are hell-bent on squeezing the rest of us into the mold they've devised for us. The examples abound and Rockefeller is just one of them.

WOW! You must really be mad at daddy.

"While I agree with this rich liberal that the people of Iraq (and most of the rest of the third world) are not ready for democracy,..."

-Saddam an dthe Baathists had the same view. Their- and your own- small minded arrogance matches that of that buffoon Rocekfeller and also reveals your own ignorance, as well. The Iraqis are just as deserving of life under a free political and economic system as you, me, and EVERYONE else is. We- i.e. ALL HUMANS- have been endowed the right to live in freedom by our Creator regardless whether or not you publicly acknowledge Him or try to deny his existence or even ridicule, persecute, and/or execute his children. Read, the American Constitution, and the Federalist Papers and join a prayer group. It will change your life for the better. (Before you respond to the suggestion, just try it first you owe yourself and your family at least that much.)

"one little thing about this opinion annoys me. Namely, these same folks agitate for uncontrolled third world immigration to the West."

-OF COURSE THEY DO! If you were treated as a slave in your country and you had even one ounce of self-respect you would also "agitate" to either overthrow the regime enslaving you or more easily- leave and go to a country where you could live and raise your family in freedom and dignity. As more and more countries join the 21st century with free political and economic systems, the need for people to emigrate to the West will also diminish.

"If these folks can't run a civil society in their home country..."

-What do you mean by "these folks"? HOW can honest, ethical individuals "run" a civil society when the societies they flee from are NOT civil and are currently "run" by sociopaths with armed thugs to carry out their whims over the populace?

"why on earth do we think that they will help us to maintain one in the West once they flood to the US and Europe?"

If you have the interest in LEARNING, you will see the United States was founded and has been maintaining a civil society by the very types of people you apparently despise.

"we need to rethink our immigration policies across the Western world..."

-YOU need to start THINKING. It would also be MOST helpful if Canada simply took care of just a few things like securing its border with us, stopped subsidizing private businesses, stopped rewarding that other embarassment of human history- Castro- and handed over individuals who have violated US laws and/or are planning to harm American citizens and their property.

"If the Muslims can't run Baghdad, why does anyone think that they'll be able to run London? "

-Such racist assertions are tiresome. Just out of curiousity, why do you hate Muslims? The overwhelming majority in EVERY country are decent, productive citizens. Here in the US, they have made tremendous contributions to American society as beautiful, hardworking, law-abiding citizens- a vital part of America's wonderful mosaic that makes her a shining example to the world as a viable alternative to anarchy and tyranny. (No, I am not a Muslim but I- like all true FREEPERS respect all honest, hardworking, compassionate individuals without regard to what their personal religious beliefs might be. It might do you some good to change your attitude and follow the US example too.) Good Luck to you.

Rockefeller is no elitist; he's just another buffoon.

The fact he is swimming in popsy-doodle's money does not in ANY way qualify him for ANYTHING.

He has done NOTHING to prove himself.

Well put.

That's just it man. Rockefeller isn;t even from the fine state of West Virginia (Home of our Hero Jessica Lynch).

Rockefeller is just ANOTHER Democrat carpet-bagger who- JUST LIKE CLINTON- bought an election in a sate where no one knows them so that they could persue their personal ambitions DIRECTLY at the expense of the American people.

"Jay Rockefeller talking about Arabs sounds just like segregationists talking about "The Nigras" in the South in the '50s. "They just aren't ready for the vote now. Maybe someday they will be able to handle it."

-How do you think jay Rockefeller feels and treats African-Americans? How about other portions of our country's population?

You're right. Establishing free economic and political systems in Haiti, Kosova, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. is not an MRE. It is going to take time and a LOT of work. (Remember of the episode of Vo'ol?)

But at least without the parasites, their societies can now evolve and get with the 21st century- as opposed to the dark ages they were suffering under before they were liberated.

Also, don't forget, despite our own Consitution that plainly assumes the fact all are equal before the law, it has taken us over 200 YEARS to FINALLY get it and STILL we have a ways to go BUT we are movig forward. These other countries were comepletely stagnant under the dictatorships.

What do you think?

Okay. then does that mean you want U.S. troops to impose this theory

This "theory" is the basis of this nation which time and again has been proven correct. It says nothing about imposing a government on a country. My point was that the Senator doesn't see democracy as an option. I would like to know what his option is?

A representative government should be our goal. Expediency would dictate tossing in an authoritarian government, but that would be against everything we represent.

""They've got to taste that first," the senator said. "(In the 1920s) the Brits tried to give them a legislature; just hand it to them British-style. It didn't work at all."

-OF COURSE IT DIDN'T WORK LIKE THAT. The Iraqis need to find their OWN way and THEY need to WORK FOR IT not have it imposed or otherwise "offered" to them. It's THEIR country they are in charge of their destiny now NOT Saddam or the Baathist screwballs.

Heck, NOBODY helped us in 1776 and we turned out OK despite the fact most of us were barely getting by.

"The racism of low expectations"