[jmc813]

Like I said before I will trust Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft.

Then why do you not trust the Act they helped develop, and instead trust Orrin Hatch who thinks they were wrong for inclucing sunset clauses?

You can trust anyone you want, and in this case you and TLB want to trust the New York Times. I will advise you though, IMO, that the New York Times is 99.9% of the time is wrong, but you will have to find that out for yourself.

I realize the Times is EXTREMEY left-leaning, we don't call it the Slimes for nothing, BUT point out where this particular article is factually wrong.

[Sparta]

Boy, the FR Statist club will defend just about anything.