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Dane - I've been watching your discussion regarding the Patriot Act and I will respond civilly. You are dead wrong. The entire premise of our government is one of limitation of power because power always corrupts. The document that sets up our govenrment is intended to restrict the lowest common denominator, the worst of the worst, should they get into office somehow. ANY legislation that is premised on lawful use of power by a good and benevolent head of state or congress (regardless of how good or benevolent, present or future) should never be made law.

Period.

Dude, we live in a different world since 9/11. Now is not the time to handwring, especially even when according to a lot of critics of the Patriot Act will concede that the people who proposed the Patriot Act are people of good character.

It is common sense that in this dangerous world to keep people of character and competance in power to deal with the threat of worldwide terrorism.

Of course that would presuppose that you actually think that there is threat, and IMHO, you like the leftist democrats and ACLU, you do not think that there is a threat to America at the present time.

Dude, we live in a different world since 9/11.

I swear, if I hear that statement one more time, I'm going to hit the ceiling. ISN'T THAT EXACTLY WHAT THE TERRORISTS INTENDED? Because of attitudes like your's the 911 terrorists' mission was successful. They instilled enough terror in enough people to change our way of life. Thanks.

Of course that would presuppose that you actually think that there is threat, and IMHO, you like the leftist democrats and ACLU, you do not think that there is a threat to America at the present time.

Wrong. I believe there is a threat. I believe that we are doing the right thing with Iraq. I don't believe that we need the Patriot Act to combat either issue.

I do believe that we need to close the borders. I do believe that we need to roll back most, if not all, of what Clinton did to this country. I do believe that we should withdraw from the UN. I believe we should kick the UN out of our country. I believe that we should not surrender any of our rights or sovereignty (individually and as a country) to any government.

That includes our own.