Patriot Act To Be Made Permanent? (Trial balloon to gauge the public reaction?)

sierratimes ^ | 4/8/2003 | J.J. Johnson

[michaelje]

In response to your question to another FR poster: Yes, I would like to see the sunset provision repealed and the act made permanent.

[jmc813]

If they make guns illegal, then you shouldn't have them. So whats your point?

I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really hope you are being facecious and forgot your tag. Please clarify.

[Dane]

Would you like to see the Patriot Act made permanent?

I will trust the judgements of GW Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rice and Ridge over the likes of the New York Times editorial board, Adam Clymer, Maureen Dowd, RW Apple, and Paul Krugman( and to add), the ACLU, Libertarians, Phyliss Schafley, and other rightwing permanantly malcontet groups.

[Belial]

You're such a good lapdog.

[michaelje]

I appreciate your reply, but if firearms were to be made illegal, then frankly, you shouldn't own any. Where is the argument?

[jmc813]

Fair enough. Just realize that most conservatives do not "trust" the government as fully as yourself.

[dirtboy]

I will trust the judgements of GW Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rice and Ridge

The Constitution is based on the concept of NOT fully trusting ANYONE in power. That's why putting sunset provisions in the Patriot Act was a good idea - after four years, we can re-visit the act and see which provisions actually did anything to fight terrorism and which ones didn't, and which ones were abused and which ones were benign.

[Bella_Bru]

If they make guns illegal, then you shouldn't have them. So whats your point?

Nice to see that you have no problem with shreading the Constitution. Are you sure you are on the right internet forum?

[jmc813]

Quick, simple question: Where do your rights come from?

[jmc813]

Also realize that if you choose to trust GW, Ashcroft on this now, you will have to trust Democratic administrations in the future. See?

[michaelje]

Yes I am on the right internet forum- thanks for the concern though. Dont misunderstand me, I support the second amendment, but if legislation passes, at either the federal, state or local level that prohibits guns- you shouldn't own them. Period.

[Bella_Bru]

The majority of Americans back the Patriot Act and would support making it a permanent.

The majority of Americans have no clue what is in the Patriot Act. They do not realize that with a simple change in political climate, groups like the NRA could be labeled as terrorists.

Oh, I highly doubt the Founders of this nation would see anything patriotic about the Patriot Act.

They knew that freedom has some risks, but they were willing to take those risks. I guess this generation is full of chickenshits.

[MineralMan]

"Who was the architect of this legislation? Was it not our own AG John Ashcroft and his aides?"

Indeed it was, and heartily endorsed by the administration. That does not make it right.

[babaloo999]

Why are the Republicans doing this? I thought they were on our side. Are they that damn corrupt? I guess they are.

They are corrupt politicians. Sorry, that was redundant.

[michaelje]

I know what you're getting at. The constitution, like it OR not, has evolved over the past 200+ years.

[Dane]

You're such a good lapdog

Nope just know the intent of good people, not hyperbolic banterings of people who get all hot and bothered by a New York Times article.

John Ashcroft is a defender of the 2nd amendment and always will be.

Phyliss Schaflley and the GOA can jump in the sack with the ACLU and the New York Times. The thing that tells me is that the old addage "opposites attract" is wrong.

This tells me that permanantly malcontnent and paranoid right wing groups(Phyliss Schafley and GOA) are attracted to permanantly malcontnent and paranoid leftwing groups such as the ACLU and New York Times in the common cause of paranoia.

[michaelje]

I beg to differ- most conservatives do trust the government these days.

[michaelje]

No offense but the NRA has been useless in defending the rights of firearms owners over the past 10 years.

[jmc813]

I know what you're getting at. The constitution, like it OR not, has evolved over the past 200+ years.

a.)Al Gore is a proponent of the "living constitution" doctrine.

b.)Our rights do not come from the Constitution. Care to try again?

[Dane]

Also realize that if you choose to trust GW, Ashcroft on this now, you will have to trust Democratic administrations in the future. See?

well that jus means that I will have to work hard in the electoral arena to make sure that a Hillary presidency doesn't happen.

And that miffs you since you can't an idealogical pure vote for Harry Browne in the future.

Semms that you would give up the War on Terroism, because you are in the fetal position in the corner sucking your thumb worrying about a Hillary presidency.