Posted on 04/07/2003 9:03:51 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate
April 4:
Army Capt. Tristan N. Aitken, 31, of State College, Pa. Killed in action in Iraq. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 41st Field Artillery, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Ga.
Army Pfc. Wilfred D. Bellard, 20, of Lake Charles, La. Killed when his vehicle fell into a ravine. No other details were immediately available.
Army Spc. Daniel Francis J. Cunningham, 33, of Lewiston, Maine. Killed when his vehicle fell into a ravine. No other details were immediately available.
Marine Capt. Travis Ford, 30, Oceanside, Calif. Killed in action when his AH-1W Super Cobra;helicopter crashed during combat operations near Ali-Ariziyal, Iraq.;No other details were immediately available.
Marine Capt. Benjamin Sammis, 29, of Rehoboth, Mass. Killed in action when his AH-1W Super Cobra helicopter crashed during combat operations near Ali Aziziyal, Iraq. Assigned to the Marine Light Attack Helicopter Squadron (HMLA) - 267, Marine Aircraft Group 39, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
April 3:
Marine Pfc. Chad E. Bales, 20, of Coahoma, Texas. Killed in a non-hostile vehicle accident during convoy operations east of Ash Shahin, Iraq. Assigned to 1st Transportation Support Battalion, 1st Force Service Support Group, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
Marine Cpl. Mark A. Evnin, 21, of Burlington, Vt. Killed in action during a firefight in Central Iraq. Assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, Twentynine Palms, Calif.
Army Staff Sgt. Nino D. Livaudais, 23, of Utah. Killed in combat. Assigned to 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, Fort Benning, Ga.
Army Spc. Ryan P. Long, 21, of Seaford, Del. Killed in combat. Assigned to A Company, 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, Fort Benning, Ga.
Army Spc. Donald Samuel Oaks Jr., 20, Harborcreek, Pa. Killed in action in Iraq. Assigned to C Battery, 3rd Battalion, 13th Field Artillery Regiment (Multiple Launch Rocket System), Fort Sill, Okla.
Army Sgt. 1st Class Randall S. Rehn, 36, Lawton, Okla. Killed in action in Iraq. Assigned to C Battery, 3rd Battalion, 13th Field Artillery Regiment (Multiple Launch Rocket System), Fort Sill, Okla.
Army Capt. Russell B. Rippetoe, 27, of Colorado. Killed in combat. Assigned to A Company, 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, Fort Benning, Ga.
Army Sgt. Todd J. Robbins, 33, of Pentwater, Mich. Killed in action in Iraq. Assigned to C Battery, 3rd Battalion, 13th Field Artillery Regiment (Multiple Launch Rocket System), Fort Sill, Okla.
Marine Cpl. Erik H. Silva, 22, Chula Vista, Calif. Killed in combat in Iraq. Assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
April 2:
Marine Lance Cpl. Brian E. Anderson, 26, of Durham, N.C. Killed in a non-hostile accident west of Nasiriyah, Iraq, when his vehicle apparently snagged low-hanging power lines. Assigned to the 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Army Spc. Mathew Boule, 22, of Dracut, Mass. Killed in helicopter crash.
Army Master Sgt. George A. Fernandez, 36, of El Paso, Texas. Died after being shot in northern Iraq. Assigned to Headquarters, U.S. Army Special Operations Command, Fort Bragg, N.C.
Marine Pfc. Christian Daniel Gurtner, 19, of Ohio City, Ohio. Killed in southern Iraq by an accidental discharge of a personal weapon, unclear whether his own or someone else's. Assigned to the 3rd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division, Marine Corps Air-Ground Combat Center, Twentynine Palms, Calif.
Army Chief Warrant Officer 4th Class Erik A. Halvorsen, 40, of Bennington, Vt. Killed in helicopter crash.
Army Chief Warrant Officer 3 Eric A. Smith, 42, of Rochester, N.Y. Killed in helicopter crash.
April 1:
Army Sgt. Jacob L. Butler, 24, of Wellsville, Kan. Killed in action in Assamawah, Iraq, when a rocket-propelled grenade hit his vehicle. Assigned to Headquarters Company, 1st Battalion, 41st Infantry Regiment, Fort Riley, Kan.
Marine Lance Cpl. Joseph B. Maglione, 22, of Lansdale, Pa. Killed in non-combat weapon discharge at Camp Coyote, Kuwait. Assigned to Bridge Company B, 6th Engineer Support Battalion, 4th Force Service Support Group, Folsom, Pa.
March 31:
Army Spc. Brandon Rowe, 20, of Roscoe, Ill. Killed in action in Ayyub, Iraq, by enemy artillery. Assigned to C Company, 1st Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), Fort Campbell, Ky.
March 30:
Marine Capt. Aaron J. Contreras, 31, of Sherwood, Ore. Killed in a UH-1N Huey helicopter crash in southern Iraq. Assigned to Marine Light Attack Helicopter Squadron (HMLA)-169, Marine Aircraft Group-39, Marine Corps Air Station, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
Marine Sgt. Michael V. Lalush, 23, of Troutville, Va. Killed in a UH-1N Huey helicopter crash in southern Iraq. Assigned to Marine Light Attack Helicopter Squadron (HMLA)-169, Marine Air Craft Group-39, Marine Corps Air Station, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
Marine Sgt. Brian D. McGinnis, 23, of St. George, Del. Killed in a UH-1N Huey helicopter crash in southern Iraq. Assigned to Marine Light Attack Helicopter Squadron (HMLA)-169, Marine Aircraft Group-39, Marine Corps Air Station Camp Pendleton, Calif.
March 29:
Marine Staff Sgt. James W. Cawley, 41, of Layton, Utah. Killed during a firefight with enemy forces. Assigned to F Company, 2nd Battalion, 23rd Marine Regiment, 4th Marine Division, Salt Lake City.
Army Cpl. Michael Edward Curtin, 23, of Howell, N.J. Killed when a taxi carrying a car bomb drove up to an Army checkpoint in central Iraq. Assigned to the 2-7th Infantry, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Ga.
Army Pfc. Diego Fernando Rincon, 19, of Conyers, Ga. Killed when a taxi carrying a car bomb drove up to an Army checkpoint in central Iraq. Assigned to the 2-7th Infantry, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Ga.
Army Pfc. Michael Russell Creighton Weldon, 20, of Palm Bay, Fla. Killed when a taxi carrying a car bomb drove up to an Army checkpoint in central Iraq. Assigned to the 2-7th Infantry, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Ga.
Marine Lance Cpl. William W. White, 24, of Brooklyn, N.Y. Killed in a non-hostile vehicle accident in Iraq. Assigned to the 3rd Amphibious Assault Battalion, 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
Army Sgt. Eugene Williams, 24, of Highland, N.Y. Killed when a taxi carrying a car bomb drove up to an Army checkpoint in central Iraq. Assigned to the 2-7th Infantry, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Ga.
March 28:
Army Sgt. Roderic A. Solomon, 32, of Fayetteville, N.C. Killed when a Bradley Fighting Vehicle rolled off a cliff in a non-hostile accident in Iraq. Assigned to the 2-7th Infantry, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Ga.
March 27:
Marine Gunnery Sgt. Joseph Menusa, 33, of Tracy, Calif. Killed in combat. Assigned to the 1st Combat Engineer Battalion, 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
Marine Cpl. Robert M. Rodriguez, 21, of Queens, N.Y. Killed in action when the tank he was riding in fell into the Euphrates River during combat operations northwest of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Tank Battalion, 1st Marine Division, Marine Corps Air-Ground Combat Center, Twentynine Palms, Calif.
Marine Lance Cpl. Jesus A. Suarez Del Solar, 20, of Escondido, Calif. Killed in combat. Assigned to the 1st Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
March 26:
Spc. William A. Jeffries, 39, of Evansville, Ind. Evacuated from Kuwait and died as a result of a sudden illness in Rota, Spain. Assigned to D Company, 1st Battalion, 152nd Infantry Regiment, Illinois Army National Guard.
Marine Maj. Kevin G. Nave, 36, of White Lake Township, Mich. Killed in a non-hostile vehicle accident in Iraq. Assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
March 25:
Marine Pfc. Francisco A. Martinez Flores, 21, of Los Angeles. Killed during convoy operations when his tank plunged off a cliff into the Euphrates River. Assigned to the 1st Tank Battalion, 1st Marine Division, Marine Corps Air-Ground Combat Center, Twenty-nine Palms, Calif.
Navy Hospital Corpsman Third Class Michael Vann Johnson, Jr., 25, of Little Rock, Ark. Killed in combat, when shrapnel from a grenade hit him in the head. Assigned to Naval Medical Center, Third Marine Division Detachment, San Diego.
Marine Staff Sgt. Donald C. May, Jr., 31, of Richmond, Va. Killed during convoy operations when his tank plunged off a cliff into the Euphrates River. Assigned to the 1st Tank Battalion, 1st Marine Division, Marine Corps Air-Ground Combat Center, Twenty-nine Palms, Calif.
Marine Lance Cpl. Patrick T. O'Day, 20, of Santa Rosa, Calif. Killed during convoy operations when his tank plunged off a cliff into the Euphrates River. Assigned to 1st Tank Battalion, 1st Marine Division, Marine Corps Air-Ground Combat Center, Twenty-nine Palms, Calif.
Air National Guard Maj. Gregory Stone, 40, of Boise, Idaho. Died from wounds received by a March 22 grenade attack in a tent at Camp Pennsylvania, Kuwait. Assigned to the 124th Air Support Operations Squadron, Idaho Air National Guard, Boise, Idaho.
March 24:
Marine Cpl. Evan James, 20, La Harpe, Ill. Drowned while trying to cross the Saddam Canal in southeastern Iraq. Reservist with the Naval and Marine Corps Reserve Center, Peoria, Ill.
Marine Sgt. Bradley S. Korthaus, 28, of Davenport, Iowa. Drowned while trying to cross the Saddam Canal in southeastern Iraq. Assigned to Engineering Company C, 6th Engineer Support Battalion, 4th Force Service Support Group, Peoria, Ill.
Army Spc. Gregory P. Sanders, 19, of Hobart, Ind. Killed in action in Iraq. Assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 69th Armor, Fort Stewart, Ga.
March 23:
Army Spc. Jamaal R. Addison, 22, of Roswell, Ga. Killed when ambushed by enemy forces in Iraq. Assigned to the 507th Ordnance Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Marine Sgt. Michael E. Bitz, 31, of Ventura, Calif. Killed in action in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 2nd Assault Amphibious Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Lance Cpl. Brian Rory Buesing, 20, of Cedar Key, Fla. Killed in combat in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Lance Cpl. David K. Fribley, 26, of Fort Myers, Fla. Killed in action in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Cpl. Jose A. Garibay, 21, of Orange, Calif. Killed in combat in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Cpl. Jorge A. Gonzalez, 20, of Los Angeles. Killed in action in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Army Pfc. Howard Johnson II, 21, of Mobile, Ala. Killed when ambushed by enemy forces in Iraq. Assigned to the 507th Ordnance Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Marine Staff Sgt. Phillip A. Jordan, 42, of Enfield, Conn. Killed in action in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Lance Cpl. Patrick R. Nixon, 21, of Gallatin, Tenn. Killed in action during operations on the outskirts of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine 2nd Lt. Frederick E. Pokorney Jr., 31, of Nye, Nev. Killed in action in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the Headquarters Battery, 1st Battalion, 10th Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Cpl. Randal Kent Rosacker, 21, of San Diego. Killed in combat in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Lance Cpl. Thomas J. Slocum, 22, of Thornton, Colo. Killed in action in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Lance Cpl. Michael J. Williams, 31, of Yuma, Ariz. Killed in action on the outskirts of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
March 22:
Navy Lt. Thomas Mullen Adams, 27, of La Mesa, Calif. Killed when two Royal Navy Sea King helicopters collided over international waters. Assigned as an exchange officer with the Royal Navy's 849 Squadron since October 2002.
Marine Lance Cpl. Eric J. Orlowski, 26, of Buffalo, N.Y. Killed by an accidental discharge of a .50 cal machine gun in Iraq. Assigned to the 2nd Tank Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Army Capt. Christopher Scott Seifert, 27, of Williams Township, Pa. Killed in a grenade attack while sleeping in a tent at Camp Pennsylvania, Kuwait. Assigned to the 101st Airborne Division, Fort Campbell, Ky.
Army Reserve Spc. Brandon S. Tobler, 19, of Portland, Ore. Killed in a non-hostile vehicle accident in Iraq. Assigned to the 671st Engineer Brigade, Portland, Ore.
March 21:
Marine 2nd Lt. Therrel S. Childers, 30, of Harrison County, Miss. Killed in action in southern Iraq. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
Marine Lance Cpl. Jose Gutierrez, 22, of Los Angeles. Killed in action in southern Iraq. Assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
March 20:
Marine Maj. Jay Thomas Aubin, 36, of Waterville, Maine. Killed in a CH-46E helicopter crash in Kuwait. Assigned to the Marine Aviation Weapons and Tactics Squadron --1, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Corps Air Station, Yuma, Ariz.
Marine Capt. Ryan Anthony Beaupre, 30, of St. Anne, Ill. Killed in a CH-46E helicopter crash in Kuwait. Assigned to the Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron -- 268, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Corps Air Station, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
Marine Cpl. Brian Matthew Kennedy, 25, of Houston. Killed in a CH-46E helicopter crash in Kuwait. Assigned to the Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 268, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Corps Air Station, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
Marine Staff Sgt. Kendall Damon Waters-Bey, 29, of Baltimore. Killed in a CH-46E helicopter crash on in Kuwait. Assigned to the Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Corps Air Station, Camp Pendleton, Calif.
Date of death not given:
Marine Lance Cpl. Thomas A. Blair, 24, of Wagoner, Okla. His unit was engaged in operations on March 24 on the outskirts of Nasiriyah in Iraq, and his remains were recovered on March 28. Assigned to the 2nd Low Altitude Air Defense Battalion, Marine Air Control Group-28, 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing, Cherry Point, N.C.
Army Sgt. George Edward Buggs, 31, of Barnwell, S.C. Killed when convoy was ambushed in Iraq. Assigned to the 3rd Forward Support Battalion, 3rd Infantry Division, Fort Stewart, Ga.
Army Master Sgt. Robert J. Dowdy, 38, of Cleveland. Killed when convoy was ambushed in Iraq. Assigned to 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Army Pvt. Ruben Estrella-Soto, 18, of El Paso, Texas. Killed when convoy was ambushed in Iraq. Assigned to 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Marine Sgt. Nicolas M. Hodson, 22, of Smithville, Mo. Killed in a vehicle accident in Iraq. Assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Army Spc. James M. Kiehl, 22, of Comfort, Texas. Killed when convoy was ambushed in Iraq. Assigned to 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Army Chief Warrant Officer Johnny Villareal Mata, 35, of El Paso, Texas. Killed when convoy was ambushed in Iraq. Assigned to 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Army Pfc. Lori Ann Piestewa, 22, of Tuba City, Ariz. Killed when convoy was ambushed in Iraq. Assigned to 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Army Pvt. Brandon Ulysses Sloan, 19, of Bedford, Ohio. Killed when convoy was ambushed in Iraq. Assigned to 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Army Sgt. Donald Ralph Walters, 33, of Salem, Ore. Killed when convoy was ambushed in Iraq. Assigned to 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
DUTY STATUS WHEREABOUTS UNKNOWN
March 23:
Army Sgt. Edward J. Anguiano, 24, of Brownsville, Texas. Missing after his convoy was ambushed in Iraq. Assigned to the 3rd Combat Support Battalion out of Fort Stewart, Ga.
Marine Sgt. Fernando Padilla-Ramirez, 26, of Yuma, Ariz. Last seen while conducting convoy operations in the vicinity of Nasiriyah. Assigned to the Marine Wing Support Squadron-371, Marine Wing Support Group-37, Marine Corps Air Station, Yuma, Ariz.
Marine Sgt. Brendon Reiss, 23, of Casper, Wyo. Missing; circumstances and details unknown
Marines missing after being engaged in operations in the outskirts of Nasiriyah in Iraq:
Marine Pfc. Tamario D. Burkett, 21, of Buffalo, N.Y. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Cpl. Kemaphoom A. Chanawongse, 22, of Waterford, Conn. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Lance Cpl. Donald J. Cline, Jr., 21, of Washoe, Nev. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Pvt. Jonathan L. Gifford, 30, of Decatur, Ill. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
Marine Pvt. Nolen R. Hutchings, 19, of Boiling Springs, S.C. Assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, Camp Lejeune, N.C.
PRISONERS OF WAR
March 24:
Apache pilots,captured after helicopter downed during a mission:
Army Chief Warrant Officer 2 Ronald D. Young Jr., 26, of Lithia Springs, Ga.
Army Chief Warrant Officer 2 David S. Williams, 30, of Orlando, Fla.
March 23:
Members of the 507th Maintenance Company stationed at Fort Bliss, Texas, captured after Iraqi forces ambushed an Army supply convoy around Nasiriyah:
Army Spc. Edgar Hernandez, 21, of Mission, Texas, 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Army Spc. Joseph Hudson, 23, of Alamogordo, N.M., 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Army Spc. Shoshana Johnson, 30, of Fort Bliss, Texas, 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Army Pfc. Patrick Miller, 23, of Park City, Kan., 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
Army Sgt. James Riley, 31, of Pennsauken, N.J., 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
FREED PRISONERS OF WAR
Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch , 19, of Palestine, W.Va., 507th Maintenance Company, Fort Bliss, Texas.
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I think you miss the point... a reporter serving with allied forces is obviously a target since our enemies have absolutely no problem with targetting reporters. The Iraqis, for example, suffer absolutely nothing in terms of the propaganda war or in their war effort at large if they hit reporters- their public doesn't care, and ours expects it to happen because the Iraqis after all, are known not to care. Dead reporters do nothing to the Iraqi side's morale or to their political efforts.
But when reporters serve among the enemy- at least an enemy which does not follow the rules of war- they are making themselves a tool of the enemy. Some alleviate this by also being as useful a tool for the good guys- us- as they are reluctantly for the enemy.
They can all be used as human shields and if they are WILLING human shields, the mere fact that they are willing makes their presence a war crime. But for the sake of practicality, since reporters on scene can occasionally be useful to our side, this aspect of some at least being willing enablers is ignored.
Another way in which reporters serve the enemy is that their presence makes it difficult to fight, and can be even worse in that they enable the enemy to put our troops in great danger. In the most innocent manifestation, their presence is an obstacle to our activities because they occupy one more area we cannot bomb and must go around; unlike civilians, reporters as individuals actively seek action and actively get in the way, and can cause a soldier to be distracted or to hesitate for a fatal second.
But in their most dangerous manifestation, reporters among the enemy can and often are used deliberately to hinder or kill our forces- something which cannot of course happen when reporters are embedded with our troops, since they aren't in the power of the enemy. The enemy can place reporters in areas to protect their buildings, facilities, and other legit targets, as Iraq has by placing its info ministry offices inside the hotel among the reporters. They and their equipment can be used as camouflage to prevent our side from dseeing a gun emplacement. This is a tactic that works against the coallition side, but does not work against Iraq because they don't have ANY "forbidden targets" and their forces are allowed to shoot anything and anyone.
An enemy which does not believe in a free press can direct the cameras of reporters and even threaten reporters with death or imprisonment so as to give false impressions and bolster their propaganda efforts. Iraq has threatened and imprisoned Newsday reporters, for example. This is something that does not happen to reporters embedded with alied forces, who are not forced to give untruthful information at gunpoint or with fear. The worst they can undergo is expulsion- but only for saying too much.
Reporters among the enemy force us to plan for their being taken hostage or for their being endangered; our enemies, meanwhile, do not have to concern themselves in the least about what happens to reporters among our troops. Iraq faced no legal or PR problems when it rocketed a command center where two journalists were, as you might notice. NO one was outraged precisely because we all know that's dangerous. Our enemy does not need to worry about reporters being taken hostage by our side.
But if we hit reporters in what has become an effective and guarded Iraqi command center- the center of their propaganda ministry- we face PR problems and everyone is outraged.
Journalists held by the enemy can have their film confiscated and equipment taken over for the use of the enemy. Journalists among allied forces are out of the enemy's reach so long as they aren't captured; and in the event of an impending capture they can destroy their communiscations equipment sdo the enemy cannot get their hands on it.
If both sides were morally equivalent and both sides fighting by the same rules, you would be correct, both sides would be equally hindered and would benefit equally from the presence of reporters. But there is no moral equivalency here.
It is not really that subtle a difference between reporters embedded with coalition troops and those in the control of the enemy, who are outside of our ability to protect them. There is a glaring difference.
Is he going to side with us in the war on terror in the future or is he going to side with the terrorists by sponsoring them on AlJazeera?
I can see them using a sabot round to minimize any collateral damage. They knew there were reporters in there.
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