[van_erwin]

ok, um, what?
sorry, but you sound like one of those people that stands on a street corner with a sandwich board shouting about the alien mind control rays.
Are you pro-Saddam? I'm confused - are you defending what he did here?

[babaloo999]

Sounds like he's slightly anti-envirowhacko, as are many people on this forum. I see nothing in his post indicating pro-Saddamism.
Go easy on the alien mind control references, we all know the mind control rays are a product of our own government.
You think all these tin foil hat references are made for fun? I wish. LOL.

[Carry_Okie]

sorry, but you sound like one of those people that stands on a street corner with a sandwich board shouting about the alien mind control rays.

Although unnecessarily vitriolic, his post was accurate. The banning of DDT induced death by malaria, well over a million people per year (this is a deliberate understatement; many people in poor countries die of multiple causes, so death by malaria alone is hard to attribute). The advocates of the ban, including then EPA Secretary William Ruckleshaus who later went to head the Environmental Defense Fund for a fat salary, knew for a fact that the ban on DDT would have that result and they knew that the egg-shell-thinning gambit was a ruse.

Don't believe that? Here is a table of Audubon Society bird counts, before and after the introduction of DDT:

Audubon Society
Christmas Bird Count Data
1941 (2,331 Observers)
vs. 1960 (8,928 Observers)
Species	Count			Count/Observer		Ratio/Observer
	1941	1960		1941	1960		1960/1941
Eagle	197	891		0.08	0.10		1.18
Gull	124,470	635,642		53.40	71.20		1.33
Raven	667	2,669		0.29	0.30		1.04
Crow	185,519	250,307		79.59	28.04		0.35
Quail	2,060	10,276		0.88	1.15		1.30
Pheasant	6,839	19,731		2.93	2.21		0.75
Mounring Dove	7,411	72,958		3.18	8.17		2.57
Swallow	14,347	242,303		6.15	27.14		4.41
Grebe	2,501	27,826		1.07	3.12		2.90
Pelican	4,450	10,562		1.91	1.18		0.62
Cormorant	3,246	27,162		1.39	3.04		2.18
Heron	2,254	16,253		0.97	1.82		1.88
Egret	1,469	16,800		0.63	1.88		2.99
Swan	18,554	33,994		7.96	3.81		0.48
Goose	182,820	696,777		78.43	78.04		1.00
Ducks	2,137,093	2,739,517		916.81	306.85		0.33
Balckbird	137,502	20,552,375		58.99	2,302.01		39.02
Grackle	24,937	12,570,458		10.70	1,407.98		131.61
Cowbird	40,019	3,286,314		17.17	368.09		21.44
Chickadee	21,330	55,906		9.15	6.26		0.68
Titmouse	5,038	18,268		2.16	2.05		0.95
Nuthatch	4,214	13,439		1.81	1.51		0.83
Robin	19,616	928,639		8.42	104.01		12.36
English Sparrow	53,335	358,769		22.88	40.18		1.76
Bluebird	3,742	6,903		1.61	0.77		0.48
Starling	211,836	8,673,095		90.88	971.45		10.69
Sources:	42nd Christmas Bird Count			Audubon Magazine, 1942
	61st Christmas Bird Count			Audubon Field Notes, 15, 1961

My thanks to Dr. J. Gordon Edwards, Professor Emeritus of Entomology at San Jose State University, for collecting this information.

Those advocating banning DDT also knew that the organo-phosphate substitute was more toxic to the environment and to people. They did it anyway, in what may be the largest single act of mass-murder in the 20th Century.

The World Wildlife Fund was created using the money of British and Dutch Royals. GreenPIECE was (and is) populated with communists, but they are both funded largely by the same people.

If you want to know more about the principles underlying the environmental movement, and how free markets can do a better job for both humans and their surrounding supporting system of habitats, consider this book. There really is an alternative to government environmental management.

[sergeantdave]

If I stand on a street corner with a sandwich board, I simply reflect the statements of hundreds of scientists, researchers and doctors, including Nobel prize winners in various scientific fields. Carry_Okie is essentially correct in his post - millions have died from malaria due to the actions of eco-fascists.

My definition of these characters as communists and fascists is correct. A bit of research on your part will help.

You might start with this from a well-known person in the conservation movement -

“The fall of the Berlin Wall and its aftermath also had an impact on this trend [movement to hard-line environmentalism]. Suddenly, pro-Soviet groups were discredited and the international peace movement was redundant. Many members of the left moved into the environmental movement bringing with them
their eco-Marxism and anti-establishment sentiments.”

Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore

Also this -

"Environmentalism with its “Earth First!” arguments represents these days the “Leviathan Two” menace which may be more dangerous than old socialism."

Vaclav Klaus, former Prime Minister, Czech Republic (1992-1997), who lived most of his life in an oppressive communist regime.

So my assessment of the so-called environmental movement is not vitrolic nor over the top. The fact is that some people have not caught up to the latest scholarship that shows where, philosophically, the so-called environmental movement is rooted.

I'd suggest "The Green Wing of the Nazi Party and its Historical Antecedents," by Peter Staudenmaier, to begin.

[sergeantdave]

Are you pro-Saddam? I'm confused - are you defending what he did here?

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Okay -

Saddam = bad & evil

Greenpeace & World Wildlife Fund = bad & evil

Saddam murders people with guns, bombs and poison gas.

Greenpeace & World Wildlife Fund murder people with bribes and United Nation decrees

Both are guilty of democide - death by government