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British snipers kill four Iraqis amid the rubble of Basra
The Daily Telegraph ^ | April 3, 2003 | Martin Bentham

Posted on 04/02/2003 3:48:18 PM PST by MadIvan

British snipers have begun operating inside Basra in a series of "harass and destroy" missions against Iraqi paramilitaries defending the city.


Royal Marine snipers from 3 Commando
At least four Iraqis have been shot dead so far by the snipers, who are hiding in disused buildings or among piles of rubble on the fringes of Basra to mount their attacks.

Dozens more Iraqis are thought to have been killed by artillery fire and bombs directed by the snipers, who are also acting as forward observers for coalition forces.

Major Ben Farrell, the commanding officer of 2 company of 1st Bn Irish Guards, which has a nine-man team of snipers working inside Basra, said the use of snipers, who could strike without warning, was designed to shatter the morale of the Fedayeen paramilitaries and other troops.

"Our snipers are working in pairs, infiltrating the enemy's territory, to give us very good observation of what is going on inside Basra and to shoot the enemy as well when the opportunity arises," he said.

"They don't kill huge numbers, but the psychological effect and the denial of freedom of movement of the enemy is vast. Our snipers have done really well. What they do is very brave."

The snipers enter Basra in Warrior armoured personnel carriers, jumping out at the back and running for cover while colleagues from the Irish Guards drive forward, delivering distracting fire during "in and out" raids into the margins of the city which British forces have carried out in recent days.

Sgt Eddie Waring, 34, one of the Irish Guards sniper team, described how he and his colleagues worked, and recounted two "kills".

"Sometimes it's a bit hairy when we are getting to our position when there are rounds and mortars coming down around us.

"It's also a bit scary going into the buildings because they haven't been cleared and we don't know if they have left any booby traps for us. But once we are here they don't know where we are and it feels OK. We can report back on what's going on - to call in air strikes or direct artillery - and if they are within range of our rifles we will shoot them.

"I've killed two people for definite. When I got the first guy they brought up a second, and when I shot him they didn't send any more.

"I shot somebody else, but he went over a wall so I couldn't see what had happened to him."

Sgt Waring said everyone was scared of a sniper because they did not know where he was - one sniper could hold back a whole regiment. "The only thing that can beat a sniper is another sniper," he said. The weapon they use is a British-made L96A1 rifle, which has a "first round kill" range of 900 yards. It can deliver "harassing" fire, but is powerful enough to scatter an enemy but not to kill over a further 200 yards. Each rifle is covered in tape painted in camouflage colours to minimise the chances of detection.

Lance Sergeant Ralph Irwin, another Irish Guards sniper, who is known as "the Bull" by his colleagues, said he was unfazed by either the danger, or the clinical nature of his work. "People might think we are a bit crazy, but we just think of it as our job," he said.

"There are mortars and rounds coming in, but other than that, it's just like an exercise.

"It's the first time I have been at war, but we've got a good weapon with a very accurate sight, so it's fine."

Amid the trauma and anxiety of combat, there is, however, time for humour. Outside the bombed-out room on the banks of the Shatt al-Basra waterway in which the snipers are based between missions into the city, is a sign put up after one operation was cancelled. "Guns for sale. Hardly ever used. One careful owner. See the snipers. Closing down special."

While the irony inevitably causes laughter among the snipers' Irish Guards colleagues, the reality of their work does sometimes hit home, as Major Farrell, the men's commander confirms.

"Most of them have never been in this situation before and in some cases the reality of what they are doing is quite shocking," he said.

"They don't take lightly the requirements for them to kill the enemy, but they do their job extremely well."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: basra; blair; bush; deadiraqisoldiers; embeddedreport; iraq; iraqifreedom; saddam; sniperattacks; uk; us; war
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To: archy
Santa, I want one! Any firearms fan has got to be loving the chance to see so many cool rifles... I know I am.

In one of the video clips on one of the channels I saw an American using a .50 cal. He was shooting to a "target" on a ridge line that looked like it was about .5 to .75 miles away. Even a near miss by a .50 cal would make your stomach cramp up - if you were the one it near-missed.

And all I have is my Mauser 48.
41 posted on 04/02/2003 6:50:58 PM PST by JSteff
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To: algol
"(I can attest that it'll certainly go through the equivalent of a railroad tie or wooden phone pole at something less than that.) "

A couple of months back there was an article in the American Rifleman written by a colonel (or something) telling how they used to do just that in Vietnam with M14's. They would "dig out" VC snipers from behind trees by starting on edges of the trunk and work inward until the enemy sniper fell over from behind the tree.
42 posted on 04/02/2003 6:57:25 PM PST by JSteff
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To: Godebert
O, it'll still kill you at over 900 yards (or meters, it's just that your chances of precisely calling the shot start to go down at those extreme ranges.

If you miss, you might hit the wrong guy, or hit the right guy in the wrong place, or just plain make the area too hot to inhabit. Dead by accident or a shot intended for another target, is still dead.

44 posted on 04/02/2003 7:00:39 PM PST by Francohio
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To: MadIvan
Nice Rifle. I like the Barrett M82A's .50 cal


45 posted on 04/02/2003 7:02:04 PM PST by gaucho (Baghdad or bust! 45 klicks to go.)
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To: 8mmMauser
Thanks for the info, sounds like they've gotten better at that sort of thing since the last time I read about it. The impression I had was that you couldn't really load a 308 subsonic and produce reasonable accuracy at the same time since you'd be looking at a case which was half empty. Sounds like they must have devised powders specifically for the purpose.
46 posted on 04/02/2003 7:04:27 PM PST by merak
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To: MadIvan
Kudos to you Brits....and thanks
47 posted on 04/02/2003 7:13:24 PM PST by RangerVetNam
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To: MadIvan
Kudos to you Brits....and thanks
48 posted on 04/02/2003 7:18:55 PM PST by RangerVetNam
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To: JSteff
In one of the video clips on one of the channels I saw an American using a .50 cal. He was shooting to a "target" on a ridge line that looked like it was about .5 to .75 miles away. Even a near miss by a .50 cal would make your stomach cramp up - if you were the one it near-missed.

And all I have is my Mauser 48.

There's bnothing wrong at all with the old Model '98 Mauser action, and most of the Yugo Model 48 versions that I've run across are fine examples of the breed. The things saw considerable use in their homeland during the 1990-1991 sniper duels between Serb and Croat [with a few strays thrown in] both in their original 7,92 chambering and rebarrelled to the 7,62 NATO cartridge; the 7,92mm boattailed 198-grain bullet is a fine performer at longer ranges.

And too, the Israelis are still using them as well, mostly also rebarrelled to 7,62, though a few of the 8mm versions soldier on still. It's easy to find a serious affection for those nice old Mausers. Yours one of the *sterile* ones built for Egypt?

-archy-/-

49 posted on 04/03/2003 7:44:58 AM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: merak
Thanks for the info, sounds like they've gotten better at that sort of thing since the last time I read about it. The impression I had was that you couldn't really load a 308 subsonic and produce reasonable accuracy at the same time since you'd be looking at a case which was half empty. Sounds like they must have devised powders specifically for the purpose.

They've gotten sneaky, using heavier bullets, though still capable of developing sufficient accuracy from the same rate of twist as a more usual 150-200 grain .308 load. But 220 and 230-grain bullets for quiet work with a .308 are possible, and can also be made to work nicely in semiauto rifles in the .300 Whisper chambering suitable for use in .223/5,56mm-length actions.

The Berger and Hornady VLD bullets offer particularly interesting possibilities, particularly moly-coated examples, clear out to 1200 meters.

And going the other way, the kissinavistas loads popularized by the late Finnish gunwriter PT *Pete* Kekkonen offer very useful closer range results, even with a non-silenced or soundsuppressed rifle.

-archy-/-

50 posted on 04/03/2003 7:56:26 AM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
I do hope that in a few days our boys will extend to your chaps and invite to
a little tea party in Baghdad.


"The Baghdad Tea Party"
-- for all coalition snipers
But of course, the greatest irony/yuks would be for the U.K./USA contingents!

Works for me!
51 posted on 04/03/2003 9:10:46 AM PST by VOA
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To: archy
"Yours one of the *sterile* ones built for Egypt?"

No, it has the yogo crest on it. The bore is excellent and looks like nothing was fire through it. Bolt, stock, bayonett, trigger guard, etc (if I remember right) all have matching SN's. Stock has a few nicks, and there is a dark spot from a knot in the wood. Other wise it is beautiful. I just got it a few weeks ago and finished the de-coz on it.
I can't wait to shoot it, but also sort of don't want to shoot it because it is so gorgeous.
52 posted on 04/03/2003 10:50:22 AM PST by JSteff
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To: JSteff
I can't wait to shoot it, but also sort of don't want to shoot it because it is so gorgeous.

Shoot it. That's what it was meant for, and it's fortunate to have wound up in the hands of one who'll both appreciate its capabilities and make use of them.

If you need info on some particularly accurate 7,92x57mm reload data, just let me know. I've owned a couple of dozen, mostly pretty good ones, over the years. I've got four at present, three of which share the 7,92 chambering. And I'm thinking about a related project for another one or two.

-archy-/-

53 posted on 04/03/2003 11:54:01 AM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: JSteff
In one of the video clips on one of the channels I saw an American using a .50 cal. He was shooting to a "target" on a ridge line that looked like it was about .5 to .75 miles away. Even a near miss by a .50 cal would make your stomach cramp up - if you were the one it near-missed.

Doesn't seem to affect the shooter much though.

Maybe a bruise on his sholder, maybe a little ringing in his ears.

-archy-/-

54 posted on 04/03/2003 11:58:49 AM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: agincourt1415
The .50 is a more specialized arm for use against sensitive equipment at longer ranges. Urban snipers work at distances well under 300m most of the time and for this the 7.62mm NATO is ideal.

The weight and muzzle blast of the .50 would be a disadvantage in an urban environment.
55 posted on 04/03/2003 12:03:09 PM PST by SBprone
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To: SBprone
Thanks for the info.
56 posted on 04/03/2003 12:07:04 PM PST by agincourt1415
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To: archy
Thanks archy. I will shoot it but I am going to get another nice one just to keep. I also just picked up a Mosin Nagant 38 that is in great shape also. Matching numbers on everything also. Is that ever a fun rifle!
Kicks like a mule, but seems pretty accurate.
I have shot for years (with a friends weapons) but I am relatively new into owning rifles so I am not at the reloading stage yet. I am trying to buy only guns in excellent shape. I am having a ball.
57 posted on 04/03/2003 12:52:20 PM PST by JSteff
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To: archy
Cool pic. Just another day at the office.
58 posted on 04/03/2003 12:53:10 PM PST by JSteff
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To: archy
Cool pic. Just another day at the office.
59 posted on 04/03/2003 12:53:12 PM PST by JSteff
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To: MadIvan
Pray tell. Where is the obligatory 'sad, dejected' photo of Tommy Daschle that is supposed to accompany such 'gloomy news' as this?
60 posted on 04/03/2003 12:53:47 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (KIM JONG IL is having another bad underwear day.)
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