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Jay Stout on FNC: "Pound them into hair, teeth, and eyeballs."
Fox News Channel | 3/30/03 | FNC

Posted on 03/30/2003 12:36:24 PM PST by FreepnDeacn

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To: Reagan Man
I'm curious why you found my remarks "juvenile".

I didn't say your remarks were juvenile, but referred to a general trend in which many Freepers villify whoever might object to a holy writ of Dubya and Rumsfeld. You only inferred that I was criticizing you specifically.

But your question is fair, so I've reviewed the thread to identify the specific remarks which I believe added nothing to anyone's understanding of the issue at hand. They are as follows:
"Hackworthless is yaesterday's news. He's gone over to the dark side."
"Hack is a great example of a vain contrarian."
"If Hackup is on Hannity Monday, I'm going to be very upset. This guy is definitely losing his mind."
"He is about as relevant as a WWI vet critiquing the Korean War, and wondering why there aren't any horse cavalry units being deployed."

Though mild by recent standards, these types of ad hominem attacks have become typical on FreeRepublic, popping up every time certain individuals or publications are mentioned. Such behavior adds nothing to adult conversation, and has served only to silence any thoughtful discussion of the real issues involved in those threads. There is plenty of venom here toward Hackworth for daring to be a skunk at the garden party, but where is the principled disagreement on the issues he raises?

As I said earlier, while I might not agree with Hackworth's every analysis, I would never totally disregard an experienced and knowledgable source. Discussion and disagreement on vital issues is a very healthy thing.

41 posted on 03/30/2003 5:42:51 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: Yankee
"He's gone over to the dark side."

Gone over? He's the Emperors lap mynock.

I'm amazed that anyone gives can't-Hack-it so much as a second thought. The man has as much credibility concerning warfighting as Bill Clinton does on monogamy.
42 posted on 03/30/2003 6:02:37 PM PST by Rasputin_TheMadMonk (Yes I am a bastard, but I'm a free, white, gun owning bastard. Just ask my exwife.)
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To: Always A Marine
Fair enough.

>>>You only inferred that I was criticizing you specifically.

For obvious and relevent reasons.

43 posted on 03/30/2003 6:08:36 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Snidely Whiplash
I dunno if you realize it, but we currently have only about 100,000 of our guys in Iraq itself.

That may be, but there are plenty more on the way. If all of them had come in at the same time, the logistics would have been a nightmare!

Remember, the 4th got delayed because the Turks got cold feet. It just meant our guys had to 'go around'. They're gonna get there.

And as the guy said, right now the F-18s are pounding the Republican Guard before our guys get ahold of them!

44 posted on 03/30/2003 6:29:12 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: xm177e2
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
45 posted on 03/30/2003 7:41:21 PM PST by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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To: Always A Marine
I hear you. The more juvenile posters with their braying and bluster turn threads into kiddy chat after a while. I'm glad I'm not alone!
46 posted on 03/30/2003 7:44:32 PM PST by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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To: Always A Marine
Hackworth is an pompous, self-important ass. That is about as factual and unemotional a criticism as can be leveled against him.

Deal with it.

47 posted on 03/30/2003 7:46:51 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: boris
"Yes, we may be able to defeat the Iraqi forces, but doing it quickly, and then fully pacifying the country and holding it are different matters altogether." I am still baffled as to why we would want to 'pacify' or 'hold' it. Well, it's much easier to install a democratic government when you don't have a buncha terrorists or Islamofascists disrupting the process and intimidating the people.

Pound it back into the 7th century;

Are they much past that anyway?

destroy all their weapons, plants, and stockpiles--and move on. We have several other islamic terror states to destroy.

I'm thinking we'd be wise to stop with one. Get a democratically-elected government in there, fund it well, and take advantage of Iraq's secularism and modernity to spread the message. We follow your course, and we may as well have just stayed home in the first place. It might feel good to pound those SOBs up front, but the long-term effects are problematic.

Snidely

48 posted on 03/31/2003 11:57:33 AM PST by Snidely Whiplash
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To: Snidely Whiplash
"I'm thinking we'd be wise to stop with one."

"Either you are with us or you are against us." Which are you?

News flash: The United States is at war. A war for its existence and for the future of Civilization on this planet. Eventually we shall have to deal with all of the terror-supporting states, including Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran, Pakistan, et al. We may as well get used to it and get it over with.

--Boris

49 posted on 03/31/2003 1:06:35 PM PST by boris (Education is always painful; pain is always educational)
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To: boris
I'm thinking we'd be wise to stop with one."

"Either you are with us or you are against us." Which are you?

I'm with serious people, who understand the problem we face and are a bit more creative with solutions than "bomb the hell out of them." "With us or against us" is meaningless crap.

Liberating Iraq is the right thing to do, without question. Spreading the war is more a practical issue than anything...years and years of war will ruin us financially as well as politically and at this point isn't necessarily the best way to ultimately solve the problem. Killing terrorists makes them stop, but you needn't have all-out war to do it.

News flash: The United States is at war.

No $hit? Have the media been informed?

A war for its existence and for the future of Civilization on this planet. Eventually we shall have to deal with all of the terror-supporting states, including Saudi Arabia,

Kill the terrorists and the Saudis won't have to pay 'em off to maintain power.

Libya,

Small potatoes, but an oddity like Iraq - a secularist dictatorship.

Iran,

Time will solve that problem. Install a actual, democratically-elected, pluralistic regime in Iraq, and the already-burgeoning democratic movement in Iran will gain power on its own. You don't want to invade big, populous, mountainous countries with a tendency towards radicalism if you can avoid it.

Pakistan, et al.

You plan on leading an armored column into that country? It's a hell of a lot different theatre than Iraq. Larger, much better armed, with a much higher population. Picture Afghanistan, but worse.

Snidely

50 posted on 04/01/2003 12:38:15 AM PST by Snidely Whiplash
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