[Mikey]

No where in the Constitution for the United States does it state one has the right to an attorney. It does however state;

"...and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense."

6th Amendment of the Constitution for the United States.

I believe it was Paul Harvey that stated (several years ago) on one of his radio programs that when this country was first settled, just about every kind of vermin came over with the ships, but the one thing the people made absolutely sure would not come over (at least for the first 100 or so years) were lawyers.

Now I'm not saying every lawyer in this country is scum and some may really be trying to do something good. The problem is even the so-called good lawyers are still practicing law within a corrupt (most of the time un-constitutional) system. One can not make things right while still working within a system that is wrong.

Shakespeare was correct when he stated that; 'in order to make a perfect society, one must kill all lawyers.'

[cynicom]

The "justice" system is held hostage by the legal profession with the connivance of governement. Somewhat akin to the medical profession, both are going to have to open up their areas to people with less training and fewer "credentials".

We hear the constant barrage from doctors about being underpaid and overworked etc etc, yet they have a lock on the medical profession. They do not wish to serve those that cannot pay their fees, that is understandable, then let the poor have access to some some person they can afford.

Lawyers by law,are the only persons allowed to appear before a court. How nice. I would like to have state and federal government on my side, keeping everyone out so that I may manipulate the system for my own welfare.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Jeez.

Lawyers are counsellors. You thought it was referring to guidance counsellors perhaps.

If Paul Harvey really said that it is unfortunate since it is totally false. There was no nation until 1775 and plenty of lawyers came after. Perhaps some settlements forbid lawyers for a while but that likely did not last long.

That was a low-life anarchist scumbag in Shakepeare's play. Do you think he strangled Desdemona too.

[Eastbound]

""...and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.""

As I understand it, attorneys are members of the bar and an officer of the court and speak on behalf of the respondent. Counsels can be lawyers, bricklayers, or even attorneys, but must remain silent, requiring the respondent to speak on their own behalf. Is this correct?