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Uprising By Shiites in Basra Underway; British Pouring Artillery into City
Sky News Live Feed ^ | 03/25/03 | TonyInOhio

Posted on 03/25/2003 9:14:57 AM PST by TonyInOhio

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To: Jim Noble
Why we decided that a guarantee ot the territorial integrity of "Iraq" was a good idea, I cannot fathom except as some kind of misguided multiculturalism.

Do you think it is misguided multiculturalism, or is it resigned pragmatism? When you start thinking about the ramifications of breaking the "country" up (such as it is), it boggles the imagination. The south would undoubtedly align with Iran. This would leave the center landlocked, and would essentially make Iran a "bordering neighbor" to Kuwait. It would seemingly make Iran a huge oil producer.

It would lead to the creation of a Kurdistan to the north and possibly destabilze Turkey. We might gain some short sighted gratification fom seeing Turkey suffer, but they are the only democratic Muslim state, and a NATO ally.

It probably is best to leave Iraq intact and see if it can function as some sort of federation. It ain't gonna be easy.

381 posted on 03/25/2003 10:04:03 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Dog
They must be as depressed as War Slut Zahn is!
382 posted on 03/25/2003 10:04:13 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: rocke031
About time we threw some Shiite at those Saddamites

Is there a post of the year award on FR? If so, this one is for sure the winner. Love it!

383 posted on 03/25/2003 10:04:26 AM PST by MissBaby
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To: dep
It actually refers to the number of Imams until the reincarnation of Ali, or the Mahdi (Messiah), or somebody else - all depending on which denomination or sub-denomination you are talking about. It's complex!
384 posted on 03/25/2003 10:04:41 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Travis McGee
Let the Iraqis finish them off, many thousands need the Mussolini end treatment.

Pretty much what I have in mind. That and the Romanians with Ceaucesceau.

385 posted on 03/25/2003 10:04:45 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: TonyInOhio; All
From FOX News

Report: Shiites Uprising Against Saddam

CAMP AS SAYLIYAH, Qatar ? The Shiite majority in Basra has started a popular uprising against Saddam Hussein's forces, Sky News reported Tuesday.

Iraqi forces are reportedly firing at the Shiite protesters, who have the support of British troops in the area.

In an about-face, British forces said Tuesday they have decided to move against militia fighters who have prevented them from securing the southern Iraqi city of Basra.

Previously, coalition forces said they wanted to avoid urban combat in Iraq's second-largest city.

The decision to declare parts of Basra "military targets" came after U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan warned of a humanitarian crisis in the city and said "urgent measures" had to be taken to restore electricity and water.

British forces have surrounded the city and secured its airport but have continued to face pockets of resistance, including members of Saddam Hussein's elite Fedayeen paramilitary force. On Monday there were artillery exchanges throughout the day.

"We're obviously assessing the situation before we commence operations to take out the non-regular militia which seems to be set to opposing our taking of the objective," said Group Capt. Al Lockwood, spokesman for British forces in the Persian Gulf.

With 1.3 million people in Basra, "we need to secure the city for the inhabitants and to ensure that their basic necessities in life are taken care of, and obviously that the necessary humanitarian aid, medical facilities are restored as quickly as possible," he said.

British military officials had said several days ago that they would prefer to negotiate surrenders with enemy troops rather than move into Basra itself to secure it. But with resistance continuing, they apparently concluded that something more decisive was necessary.

It was not clear if British forces would move into Basra itself. They have said they wanted to avoid urban combat for as long as possible.

Basra is Iraq's main seaport and lies in southern Iraq's oil-producing region. It is a mostly Shiite city; a 1991 uprising by Shiite Muslims in Basra was crushed by the Iraqi military during the Gulf War.

A British military spokesman said Basra itself was a military target. But later he said only parts of the city -- regime and military infrastructure -- were now so designated.

In a separate attack on militiamen loyal to Saddam, members of Britain's 7th Armored Brigade captured a member of the Baath Party in nearby Az Zubayr on Monday night, the spokesman said. The goal of the operation was to "separate the party members from the military," the spokesman said.

Also in Az Zubayr late Monday, a soldier with another British unit was killed. It was the second combat death for Britain.

Also late Monday, 25 Iraqi armored vehicles, including a number of T-55 battle tanks, were destroyed after British forces called in air support over the al-Faw peninsula, the spokesman said. The Iraqis were firing mortar rounds and artillery.

386 posted on 03/25/2003 10:04:47 AM PST by kattracks
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To: TonyInOhio
Basra is Iraq's main seaport and lies in southern Iraq's oil-producing region. It is a mostly Shiite Muslim city; a 1991 uprising by Shiites in Basra was crushed by the Iraqi military during the Gulf War.

387 posted on 03/25/2003 10:04:59 AM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: All
All CNN top breaking news this hour involves friendly fire incidents.

I think the war slut was 'predicting' this just now, as if she isn't aware of what Fox and even the BBC is reporting.

389 posted on 03/25/2003 10:05:04 AM PST by withteeth
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To: ArrogantBustard
Definitely! They need to wipe out the Baathists anyway, so let them do this dirty work!
390 posted on 03/25/2003 10:05:09 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Fractal Trader
Fog of war. ;-)
391 posted on 03/25/2003 10:05:27 AM PST by CrimeOf73
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To: gabby hayes
I don't want to sound imperialistic or colonial or anything like that, but we really need to help Africa.

If we don't, we will only be creating another breed of terrorist.
392 posted on 03/25/2003 10:05:47 AM PST by mabelkitty
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To: Dog
One of the Baath party officials was captured by the U.K.!

Who reported this??

This was confirmed by Colonel Chris Vernon, UK military spokesman.

393 posted on 03/25/2003 10:05:49 AM PST by TonyInOhio (Now begins the Pax Americana)
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To: Dog
show me the grave ..let me examine the ashes are these human remains or perhaps Bablyonian? A sandstorn can be a real wipeout, you know : - )
394 posted on 03/25/2003 10:05:52 AM PST by Fractal Trader (Free Republic Energized - - The power of Intelligence on the Internet!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Coalition airpower takes on Republican Guard
Jane's News - 5 minutes ago
UK and US aircraft are conducting intensive air strikes against a first echelon defence line of the Republican Guard Force Command ...

395 posted on 03/25/2003 10:05:52 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (Let's Roll)
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To: mabelkitty
Sure - you can say "Oh Shiite"! HEH HEH!!
396 posted on 03/25/2003 10:05:55 AM PST by areafiftyone (God Bless George Bush and Tony Blair!)
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To: CELTICGAEL (Celt)
we can not let these people get slaughtered!

AGREED!!!

397 posted on 03/25/2003 10:06:09 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Grampa Dave
Watched CNN for 4 seconds and this is what I say:

Paula:

1. Consumer Confidence down because of War

2. Land mines make it hard on our troops

3. Live footage of war in our homes, is this a bad thing?

Wolfy: "blinding sand..." I couldn't take it anymore they suck, they just are so full of sh!t.

398 posted on 03/25/2003 10:06:28 AM PST by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: Grampa Dave
I dpn't know, but I think the Desert Rat SAS referred to here may be the Aussies.

The Desert Rats are some truly magnificent SOB's from the UK. Go Brits!

399 posted on 03/25/2003 10:06:34 AM PST by general_re (Think green...burn only 100% recycled dinosaurs in your car.)
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To: CELTICGAEL (Celt)
well, when the brits swoop in, they'll become more regular than they'd like.

dep

400 posted on 03/25/2003 10:06:38 AM PST by dep
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