To: hchutch
This has to be dealt with by conservatives, particularly those that want to have limits on immigration on the table for discussion. If they do not deal with those who are using racialist rhetoric, then this issue is going to be as welcome as a skunk at a picnic. I wonder, though, who defines what constitutes "racialist rhetoric," and who has made the political/moral climate such that certain issues are "as welcome as [skunks] at a picnic?"
It seems to me that these calls to "purge" paleoconservatives just do the work of the liberals for them. The "anti-paleos" (dare I call them "neocons?") seem to take the validity of liberal definitions of "racialism" for granted, or at least they're too fearful to challenge those liberal definitions head-on. I sense liberal influence; they slipped behind conservative lines and told the neos and paleos, "Lets you and him fight!"
302 posted on
03/20/2003 8:50:37 PM PST by
Hoppean
To: Hoppean; x; rdb3; mhking; Luis Gonzalez; PhiKapMom; Miss Marple; Poohbah; justshe; dighton; Dog; ...
How else do you describe the rhetoric that Mr. Frum quotes? It's clearly beyond the bounds of decency.
I don't know about you, but me and a lot of other folks who could be described as conservatives would NOT want to be associated with people who make comments like these, nor will they tolerate those that make them:
"I respect and admire the French, who have been a far greater nation than we shall ever be, that is, if greatness means anything loftier than money and bombs."
THOMAS FLEMING, "HARD RIGHT," MARCH 13, 2003
"[Clarence] Thomas calls the segregation of the Old South, where he grew up, 'totalitarian.' But that's liberal nonsense. Whatever its faults, and it certainly had them, that system was far more localized, decent, and humane than the really totalitarian social engineering now wrecking the country."
LLEWELLYN H. ROCKWELL
"How horrible to realize, ten years after the Cold War, that the real evil empire is not some foreign regime, but the U.S. military state. It bombs buses, bridges, factories, churches, and schools, expresses 'regret,' and then continues to do the same. A host of innocents have died from U.S. attacks a fact which should make every patriot wince. The propaganda should also make us wonder to what extent the old Communist Threat was trumped up to plunder the American taxpayer."
LLEWELLYN H. ROCKWELL, "THE END OF BUCKLEYISM," IN SPINTECH, JUNE 12, 1999
"It is clear that neither laws nor any sense of fair play will stop this rampant U.S. arrogance. The time may soon come when we will have to call for the return of the spirit of the man who terrified the United States like no one else ever has. Come back Stalin (almost) all is forgiven."
GEORGE SZAMUELY, IN "TAKI'S TOP DRAWER," NEW YORK PRESS, JULY 11, 2001
"The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people." SAMUEL FRANCIS, SPEECH AT THE AMERICAN RENAISSANCE CONFERENCE, MAY 1994
"The Bush administration should not only ignore the advice of such characters as Mr. Ledeen and Mr. Podhoretz but consider placing them under surveillance as possible agents of a foreign power." SAMUEL FRANCIS, IN CHRONICLES, DECEMBER 2002
"The U.S. government has probably killed more people outside its own borders than any other. Or am I overlooking something?"
JOSEPH SOBRAN, SPEECH TO THE JOHN RANDOLPH SOCIETY, HERNDON, VA., JANUARY 1992
That next to last quote, by the way, is targeting a person (Michael Ledeen) who has posted here on an occasional basis in the past. Quite frankly, were I charged in the language Mr. Francis used, then I would have given Mr. Francis one of three options:
1. Provide proof of the charges
2. Issue a retraction of those charges
3. Name a second
314 posted on
03/21/2003 5:33:40 AM PST by
hchutch
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