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As Pat is one of the few honest public figures out there with the backbone to bring attention to the epic invasion of millions of illegals, and the disgraceful, open border time bomb.. Too bad that history doesn't back you up. As a matter of fact, Pat Buchanan's decisive break with the "neocons," as he called them, was in the early 1990's. At that time, the GOP was thoroughly anti-illegal immigration. Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay were trying to push through severe restrictions on I.I., and on welfare for any immigrants, whether legal or not. Dole's campaign followed suit. What caused the GOP to back off the immigration issue was sheer vote calculation--the paleos had already left the party, not over immigration but over Israel and foreign trade. The paleos also took the side of the Demoncrats in the budget battle of 1995, since they wanted to bring the GOP down by any means necessary. Then, having stabbed the GOP in the back, won Clinton a 2nd term, and caused the GOP to conclude that paleos weren't worth the trouble of seeming "anti-immigrant," the Buchananites shouted "The Republicans have sold out on immigration." Wrong, Pat, you sold us out.

The GOP, after the `95 budget battle, the `96 election, and the `98, figured correctly that the paleo-cons and their all-or-nothing attitude were not worth the trouble they were causing, and decided to tell them to take a hike.

The result: The purists left to the Reform party, and the GOP was able to win in 2000 (albeit by a close margin in Florida), and to make further gains in 2002.

You need to get away from all this party bull sh*t and all of this party agenda garbage......I don't give a damn who belongs to what party or what votes they may want...

This open border madness will eventually destroy this country. I don't give a flying rats butt what beltway party, or which politician steps up to the plate to end this epic invasion of millions....While all these people point fingers at each other, and continue this endless stupid debate, our country continues to be invaded by hundreds of thousands of people that that are crashing our borders.

All these stupid ass names, like neocons, paleocons and all the other crap is going to eventually choke us off......

The GD bottom line is that it's the Federal Government's responsibility is to protect our border and our sovereignty, and damn it, they are not doing it, and it appears that they have no intention of doing it.

If intentional or not, the government has failed it's duties and most in government that are responsible, should be forced to resign and face criminal charges.

A government that will not or cannot protect our borders, will itself, eventually become illegitimate.

You need to get away from all this party bull sh*t and all of this party agenda garbage......I don't give a damn who belongs to what party or what votes they may want...

This open border madness will eventually destroy this country. I don't give a flying rats butt what beltway party, or which politician steps up to the plate to end this epic invasion of millions....While all these people point fingers at each other, and continue this endless stupid debate, our country continues to be invaded by hundreds of thousands of people that that are crashing our borders.

All these stupid ass names, like neocons, paleocons and all the other crap is going to eventually choke us off......

The GD bottom line is that it's the Federal Government's responsibility is to protect our border and our sovereignty, and damn it, they are not doing it, and it appears that they have no intention of doing it.

If intentional or not, the government has failed it's duties and most in government that are responsible, should be forced to resign and face criminal charges.

A government that will not or cannot protect our borders, will itself, eventually become illegitimate.

Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay were trying to push through severe restrictions on I.I., and on welfare for any immigrants, whether legal or not. Dole's campaign followed suit. What caused the GOP to back off the immigration issue was sheer vote calculation--the paleos had already left the party, not over immigration but over Israel and foreign trade. The paleos also took the side of the Demoncrats in the budget battle of 1995, since they wanted to bring the GOP down by any means necessary. Then, having stabbed the GOP in the back, won Clinton a 2nd term, and caused the GOP to conclude that paleos weren't worth the trouble of seeming "anti-immigrant," the Buchananites shouted "The Republicans have sold out on immigration." Wrong, Pat, you sold us out.

I'm no fan of Buchanan, but wasn't he still a Republican in good standing during Dole's '96 campaign? Also, although I voted for him anyway, if Dole had any substantial plan to deal with Illegals, he did a good job of keeping it secret.
As I recall things, the GOP retreat from a strong line against Illegals began during California's Proposition #187 campaign in '94, led primarily by William Bennet and Jack Kemp.

What caused the GOP to back off the immigration issue was sheer vote calculation--the paleos had already left the party, not over immigration but over Israel and foreign trade. The paleos also took the side of the Demoncrats in the budget battle of 1995, since they wanted to bring the GOP down by any means necessary.

How many people are we talking about? A few thousand at most? It may have been vote calculation that influenced the GOP to back off on immigration, but it can't have been the loss of paleoconservatives or those who might have left over Israel and foreign trade. Those groups were just too small. Nor is it clear that they had much effect on the budget in 1995.

If you are talking about Rockwellites and Flemingites, their numbers are negligible. You might as well talk about Randians or the Natural Law Party. To say that they "won Clinton a second term" is absurd.

Large numbers of people who cared about immigration reform never left the Republican party. The feew who did would have been won back by a party committed to reforming abuses in immigration. They certainly wouldn't have remained away because of foreign policy questions if the party were willing to take other steps in their direction. I suspect campaign contributions and think tanks were more important in turning the GOP away from immigration reform.