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American Bishop Bars Faithful from War Effort
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| March 18, 2003
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Posted on 03/18/2003 4:56:14 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: nickcarraway; Salvation; Maeve; Siobhan
Ping! This is big. Can any of you ping your lists? Thanks!
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
These Bishops risk losing more members.
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
To be filed under: I didn't leave the church, the church left me.
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:01:02 PM PST
by
DensaMensa
(He who controls the definitions controls history.)
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
HE IS AN IDIOT!
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:01:04 PM PST
by
observer5
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Whatever... as a life long Catholic, this last bit of news puts it over the top. I'm witholding my contributions till further notice.
To: aynrandfreak
"Arguing that a military assault on Iraq does not fit the criteria of the just-war tradition"
I guess if the UN had OKed it would? Moron.
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:02:46 PM PST
by
observer5
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Clean up your own house of homosexual predators
before you say anything about Americans!
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:02:57 PM PST
by
HuntsvilleTxVeteran
(chIRAQ & sadDAM are bedfellows & clinton is a raping traitor!)
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Well, this Catholic has a message for this bishop who is putting even more of a load on the young men and women on their way to liberate Iraq.
Bishop Botean, you are a disgrace.
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:03:08 PM PST
by
jwalsh07
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Never before have I spoken to you in this manner....
Meaning, of course, that pedophilia and abortion aren't of sufficient gravity to warrant his attention.
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Blind fool. No moral justification for war? All national security interests aside, Saddam's tyrrany is moral justification enough.
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:04:40 PM PST
by
pgkdan
To: aynrandfreak
I left the Catholic church in 1970 over Liberation Theology. I was just back from the war when I had to sit in mass and be sermonized by a priest, who is now quite high in the church, as to the immorality of our efforts in Vietnam. I got up, walked out, and have never gone back.
Looks like they're at it again.
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:04:44 PM PST
by
x1stcav
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
The bishop announced that he "must declare to you, my people, for the sake of your salvation as well as my own, that any direct participation and support of this war against the people of Iraq is objectively grave evil, a matter of mortal sin."
Is he saying that if you are in the military you are going to hell?
To: jdogbearhunter
I'm witholding my contributions till further notice.I'm with you, no more money for the Vatican until or unless they smack this guy down.
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:04:54 PM PST
by
jwalsh07
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
He's right about the principles involved, and he has the authority, as a bishop to teach those principles. A Catholic (or anyone else) is forbidden ever do anything immoral, and being commanded to do something immoral does not authorize anyone to obey that command. I.e., there is no such thing, in Catholic moral theology, as the excuse, "I was just obeying orders." If the act is immoral, BOTH the one who commanded it and the one obeying are guilty.
So it is not an adequate answer to the bishop to tell him that the President says we are going to war, so shut up. That is a mindless response to the bishop.
The question is: Is the bishop correct in his judgment that this war violates justice? He has no special charism or authority to make that judgment. He can be as easily wrong as right.
I think he is wrong, because we have been at war for years--i.e., the U.S. is not about to initiate unjust aggression--and Saddam is a killer who is manifestly preparing to kill again.
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
> Byzantine-rite Romanian Catholics<
READ people!!!!
Romanian NOT Roman!!!!!
Nothing to do with the rest of us!
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:05:52 PM PST
by
G Larry
($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
To: jwalsh07
Note Byzentine Romanian.
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:06:20 PM PST
by
MEG33
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
This article says "Byzantine-right Romanian Catholics"...sounds separate from the Roman Catholic Church? I've never heard of them before.
(And I thought we Presbyterians were confusing...)
}:-)4
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:06:25 PM PST
by
Moose4
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Gee, during the Greek War of Independence against the Ottoman empire the Greek Orthodox priest were not unknown to take up arms and actually kill an enemy or two. Then again many of them had wives and children....
Seriously is this a joke? Is this an urban legend?
Is this a leftist/homosexual priest?
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
An American Catholic bishop has forbidden his flock from participating or cooperating in military action against Iraq, under pain of mortal sin. The continuing death of Catholicism revealed. I'm glad that Catholics are Christians, but their leaders are COMPLETE MORONS.
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posted on
03/18/2003 5:06:46 PM PST
by
Centurion2000
(Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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