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BREAKING BIG: POSSIBLE PATHOGEN DETECTED IN SARS CASE
PROMED ^ | 03-18-03

Posted on 03/18/2003 10:12:00 AM PST by Mother Abigail

Paramyxovirus-like particles identified by electron microscopy

Numerous tests have been performed on the 3 patients admitted on Saturday 15 March to the Isolation Unit at Frankfurt am Main with suspected severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Tests from respiratory specimens for influenza A and B virus, respiratory syncytial virus, enteroviruses, _Mycoplasma pneumoniae_ and _Chlamydia_ spp. by antigen enzyme linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) and/or polymerase chain reaction (PCR) were all negative; antibody tests for dengue, influenza A and B, measles, hantaviruses, _Mycoplasma pneumoniae_ and _Chlamydia_ spp. were likewise negative or unremarkable so far; further test results are pending.

Particles morphologically resembling paramyxoviruses were seen in respiratory specimens (throat swab and sputum) obtained from the index patient, a doctor from Singapore, by the teams in Marburg and in Frankfurt am Main.

It remains to be seen whether this finding can be confirmed -- tests including low-stringency paramyxovirus PCR and tissue culture are currently under way in Hamburg, in Marburg and in Frankfurt am Main. It needs to be emphasised that at this time these preliminary results only indicate a suspicion. Furthermore, even if the presence of a paramyxovirus was confirmed, it is not clear at this stage whether this might represent the causal agent of SARS or rather a coincidental finding.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atypicalpneumonia; chlamydia; epidemic; paramyxovirus; sars; spanishflu; virus
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To: Terriergal
It is going to be viral (all other lab work is negative), but:

This new genus of virus was/is a very good suspect.

As a matter of fact, freeper vetvetdoug, called this possiblity last night on one of my threads.

Caution though, we have to take it step by step
101 posted on 03/18/2003 10:44:41 AM PST by Mother Abigail
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To: gas_dr
thanks, gas!
102 posted on 03/18/2003 10:44:42 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Oberon
LOL!
103 posted on 03/18/2003 10:45:14 AM PST by null and void (especially the bearded varity...)
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To: Mother Abigail
Interesting choice of screen names you got there.
104 posted on 03/18/2003 10:45:37 AM PST by Monster Zero
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To: brewcrew
As to whether your loved ones are going to get sick and die - yes, eventually. Nobody gets out of this life alive (except what's his name who got taken up into Heaven in a cloud).
105 posted on 03/18/2003 10:45:38 AM PST by Endeavor
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To: TaxRelief; gas_dr; CholeraJoe
is this true?
106 posted on 03/18/2003 10:46:02 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Mother Abigail
It could easily be a new disease. Mutated pathogens pop up all the time. And, several diseases prevalent many centuries ago seem to have died away completely.
107 posted on 03/18/2003 10:46:07 AM PST by Grand Old Partisan
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Tanks!
108 posted on 03/18/2003 10:46:37 AM PST by null and void (always a worry that someone will be offended...)
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To: Mother Abigail
Tests from respiratory specimens for influenza A and B virus, respiratory syncytial virus, enteroviruses, _Mycoplasma pneumoniae_ and _Chlamydia_ spp. by antigen enzyme linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) and/or polymerase chain reaction (PCR) were all negative

I was just wondering exactly about this last night as I was laying in bed before falling asleep.

109 posted on 03/18/2003 10:47:16 AM PST by JeepInMazar (www.answering-islam.org)
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To: xsmommy
Influenza jumps species -- that's how we've gotten some of the horrible flu strains in the past.

How does it happen? Virus mutates in such a way that it becomes infective to the new species it attacks. It's part of their way of surviving. They do it by altering their genetic code. Or, someone like Iraq's Dr. Germ does it for them.

NOTE: I'm not saying this is a bioterror weapon.

111 posted on 03/18/2003 10:52:33 AM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor

Captain Tripps is Coming!


112 posted on 03/18/2003 10:55:25 AM PST by Spiff
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To: Spiff
Yup! It's Captain Tripps all right...M - O - O - N...that spells Captain Tripps!
113 posted on 03/18/2003 10:56:17 AM PST by Spiff
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To: seamole
I think there are conflicting reports, and I am not sure that I would take a lot of stock in the more hysterical reports. I likewise do not think this is a new sepcies. Influenza, by way of analogy, has things called genetic shifts and drifts. A drift occurs yearly, and is the reason we have our flu shots annually. Shifts, however, are major changes to the virus, although they remain the same species. Bottom line, I think this will shake out to be a shift, and I am not convinced that the world will be wiped away by this particular virus...I have however given a lot of thought to it being bioengineered as a weapon...and this could be the experimental phase as it coincudes with our Iraq policy...
114 posted on 03/18/2003 10:57:49 AM PST by gas_dr
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To: xsmommy
Not necessarily. Maybe just lucky. 15% of kids are strep carriers.
115 posted on 03/18/2003 10:58:47 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Curtis Loew was the finest picker who ever played the Blues)
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To: gas_dr; Endeavor
thanks.
116 posted on 03/18/2003 10:59:00 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: CholeraJoe
thanks. wasn't quite sure what i could do about it, if they were. they don't give you antibiotics unless you test positive, and i have sat plenty of time in the waiting room, to see if anything would grow.
117 posted on 03/18/2003 11:00:26 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Oberon
No, you get chlamydia from a chlam.

Oh, you just had to mussel in with that joke.
118 posted on 03/18/2003 11:02:43 AM PST by BJClinton (Ignorance is Blix.)
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To: xsmommy; All
CDC Alert
119 posted on 03/18/2003 11:04:00 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Curtis Loew was the finest picker who ever played the Blues)
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To: Mother Abigail
HONG KONG, March 18 — Government health officials said here today that a small but unknown number of carriers of a mysterious kind of pneumonia were somewhere in this city, but they added that the moderate rate of new infections around the world suggested that the disease was not as contagious as initially feared.

The official acknowledgment that the problem extended beyond people already in isolation wards at hospitals came as local doctors have been increasingly critical of the government. Many doctors have been calling for the government to do more to warn residents of the dangers posed by what the World Health Organization has labeled Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS.

Dr. Leung Ka-lau, the president of the Hong Kong Public Doctors' Association, said in an interview today that in repeatedly playing down the gravity of the problem, the government was going too far in seeking to preserve Hong Kong's image as an attractive tourist destination.

"They have to balance the health of the public and the economy and image of Hong Kong," Dr. Leung said. "From the health point of view, I would tend to alert the public more."

Dr. Yeoh Eng-kiong, Hong Kong's secretary of health, welfare and food, defended the accuracy of the government's tallies of SARS victims, which Dr. Leung and other doctors here described as not including dozens of cases of atypical pneumonia that might well be SARS.

"We have not left out any cases because we want to cover up anything," Dr. Yeoh asserted today. Rather, the government has been concerned that the World Health Organization's definition of SARS is overly broad, he explained, adding that it has followed the advice of its own panel of local doctors in categorizing cases.

Professor K.Y. Yuen, a microbiologist at Hong Kong University, said at the same news conference that the disease did not appear to spread as easily through the air as influenza. Taking a position that American and European doctors are starting to adopt as well, Professor Yuen said that it appeared that the disease was transmitted when healthy people came in contact with fairly sizable droplets from an infected person, especially during medical procedures, and not through casual contact.

The government here also set up an Internet site today to provide the public with information about the outbreak, and has encouraged people to avoid crowded places with poor ventilation. But it has not taken other steps suggested by local doctors, like urging employers to provide sick leave to workers at the first hint of illness or quarantining Prince of Wales Hospital, where most of the cases have occurred.

Two more hospitals reported clusters of cases today, bringing the total to six. The appearance of new cases shows that not everyone with the disease has been found, Dr. Yeoh admitted.

By contrast, Dr. Yeoh said over the weekend and on Monday that increases in the official tally of cases here were occurring almost entirely among people already in the hospital with pneumonia who were being reclassified as having SARS.

Dr. William Ho, the chief executive of the Hong Kong Hospital Authority, said today that the tally of confirmed cases had risen since Monday by 28, to 111, while 12 more people are hospitalized and are strongly suspected of having the disease as well.

Dr. Leung, a surgeon at Prince of Wales Hospital, said doctors there were nervous that they might yet fall ill. He noted that it took two to seven days for symptoms to present themselves after infection. Some seemingly healthy doctors with families have moved into temporary housing to reduce the risk of infecting spouses and children, but Dr. Leung said that he lives alone and still goes home every day.

"Maybe we are clean or maybe we are in the incubation period," Dr. Leung said. "What we are waiting for is for the incubation period to expire."

Margaret Ng, a Legislative Council member who represents the legal community and has been a fierce critic of the government's move to impose strict internal security laws, said that she did not believe that information was being actively concealed from the public.

"I don't feel that they are really hiding anything, but I get the feeling they don't have the measure of it yet," she said.

120 posted on 03/18/2003 11:04:24 AM PST by per loin
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