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The Lowdown on the Showdown

Posted on 03/14/2003 5:47:33 PM PST by GLDNGUN

While most are aware by now that President Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar will confer Sunday in the Azores, it seems just as many do not realize the weight of this meeting. This truly is a “war council”...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: appeasement; aznar; azoresislands; blair; bush; iraq; peaceinourtime; war
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To: GLDNGUN
Thank you so much for your insight on all of this... I've had a deep trust in Bush's ability to strategize longterm and was waiting to hear something of this nature. Long live liberty and justice, the good guys are holding true...

141 posted on 03/15/2003 12:25:04 AM PST by Tamzee ("Sabotage".... a French word....)
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To: CyberAnt
I've also had this horrible suspicion that Clinton was working the phones behind the scenes with France and Germany. If that is in fact so, it is utterly despicable, outrageous, and totally in character :-(
142 posted on 03/15/2003 12:27:49 AM PST by Tamzee ("Sabotage".... a French word....)
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To: Tamsey
Yeah, and I hope he gets caught at it - it's called TREASON!!!
143 posted on 03/15/2003 12:30:20 AM PST by CyberAnt ( -> -> -> Oswego!!)
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To: GLDNGUN
I want to thank you right heartily for posting this information and assessment.
144 posted on 03/15/2003 12:54:20 AM PST by Maeve (Siobhan's daughter and sometime banshee.)
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To: I_dmc
Hmmmm? We have the very best night vision - which makes for great results during moonless nights.
145 posted on 03/15/2003 12:55:37 AM PST by CyberAnt ( -> -> -> Oswego!!)
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To: GLDNGUN
Between Clinton and his devil-posessed wife (I am quite serious about that) I believe we have the answer for why the French and Germans rose up against us and why the Democrats have entered into their shallow but nevertheless biting assault on President Bush and the policy re Iraq.

If the Clinton regime will not go quietly into that good night, the Bush Administration finally needs to give them a good shove into the dustbin.

146 posted on 03/15/2003 1:05:26 AM PST by Maeve (Siobhan's daughter and sometime banshee.)
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To: Maeve
I want to thank you right heartily for posting this information and assessment.

You and my fellow Freepers are more than welcome. It looks like things are continuing to line up as foreseen. Reuters is now reporting "British Armed Forces Minister Adam Ingram said on Saturday that the world could be in the last days before a U.S.-led war with Iraq. Ingram also said that it was looking less likely that the United States, Britain and Spain would succeed in pushing through a second resolution authorizing military action against Baghdad if Iraq did not fully disarm. Asked if he agreed with a comment by Belgium's defense minister the world was in the last days before a conflict, Ingram replied: 'I think that language which has been used over recent days in London would lead us to that conclusion as well.'"

Keep the faith and keep saying your prayers. "(And) it's less likely we'll get that second resolution. But that does not mean to say we should not continue to try to do so," he told reporters at a European Union defense ministers' meeting in Athens.

147 posted on 03/15/2003 1:21:38 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Wordsmith
liberty alliance?

I like that.
148 posted on 03/15/2003 1:51:20 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: tirednvirginia
I am that President Bush is probably going to forsake his promise to make all the SC members "show their cards."
You know, in a funny kind of way... I think he DID force them all to vote, show their cards... and they have, by their ACTIONS. Where the metal hits the meat... so to speak.

This has shown the battle lines here at home... overseas and around the world... We know the nations and organizations that hate liberty, freedom and despise us. WE see clearly the vestiges of a once dead soviet now born again socialist organization with a decentralized random attack collection of collaborators that are NOT clearly chargeable to any nation specifically at any particular point in time.

Communism, has evolved into something else, more hideous and evil than before... and it's ability to mutate and invade political and geographical boundaries is a sight to behold.

Many leaders of this mutated form of tyranny are from right here in the USA. I personally believe that the Democrats are the host of this disease in its more benign form... but the cancer is spreading.

Any attempt at a liberty based, alliance for free nations, if it is to be good and not evil... could never arise from the corrupted bed of dictators and third world thugs in the old UN organization.

Bravo if we can pull it off... and shame on us if we do not try...

149 posted on 03/15/2003 2:01:53 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Tom Jefferson; backhoe; Militiaman7; BARLF; timestax; imintrouble; cake_crumb; Brad's Gramma; ...
Of course there will be many questions about whether these countries are pulling out of the UN. No, they won’t be pulling out, but the company line will be “the UN failed to act this time. Hopefully, next time they will be up to the task”. In reality, the UN may simply wither on the vine and eventually die.

No more UN for US-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

151 posted on 03/15/2003 3:55:27 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: ganeshpuri89
Just to update this thread. It appears that the only question remaining for the "Big 3" is under what authority they will claim is the basis for their action. There obviously will be a "coalition of the willing" whether it is made an "official organization" remains to be seen. They will have to decide whether they want to say the previous UN resolutions give them the "legitimacy" to act, this new coalition gives them the authority, or a combination of the 2. Some may be concerned about overplaying their hand against the UN, and not be perceived as using this failure of the UN as an excuse to "de-legitimatize" it. They just have to work out the details of getting from point A (calling for another UN resolution) to point B (another UN resolution not needed).
152 posted on 03/15/2003 4:00:27 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: CyberAnt
Surprise?
153 posted on 03/15/2003 4:02:50 AM PST by I_dmc
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To: Robert_Paulson2
>>This has shown the battle lines here at home... overseas and around the world... We know the nations and organizations that hate liberty, freedom and despise us<<

" O ye that love mankind! Ye that dare oppose, not only the tyranny, but the tyrant, stand forth! Every spot of the old world is overrun with oppression. Freedom hath been hunted round the globe. Asia, and Africa, have long expelled her. Europe regards her like a stranger, and England hath given her warning to depart. O! receive the fugitive, and prepare in time an asylum for mankind."-Common Sense, 1776  

154 posted on 03/15/2003 4:14:45 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: knighthawk
In reality, the UN may simply wither on the vine and eventually die.

I think that this is not likely, although it has made itself a lot more of a "EU" stalking horse.

I think that France's actions have a lot to do with its world-view as a leader in "liberal" thinking. It sees itself a central to the future EU political structure and the EU as central to keeping the US from being a force that controls the whole world, not through Empire, but from strength of the US in relation to the rest of the world.

The forces of what Hayek called Rationalist Totalitarian Democracy were born in France and that politcal life-force is alive and well there and, by extension within the EU. The French see the UN as the next step in Global Government empowered by the ideals formulated under the long struggle for this form of politcal thinking.

155 posted on 03/15/2003 4:35:04 AM PST by KC Burke
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To: GLDNGUN
It appears that the only question remaining for the "Big 3" is under what authority they will claim is the basis for their action. There obviously will be a "coalition of the willing" whether it is made an "official organization" remains to be seen.

What the US will need to do, in furtherence of its long-term interests, is kill the idea of legitimacy flowing from numbers.

If I decide to mug you, does my having 10 of my friends approve of my actions make it right? How about a hundred? At what point does the "magic" come in?

The original underlying philosophy of the US Constitution was that certain acts wrong, without regards to how popular they might be. That's the foundation of the Bill of Rights, that the government may not legitimately violate certain rights of the people, no matter how popular the measures might be with a temporary majority

One fundamental right is the right of self-defense, from which follows the right to take out a clear and present danger to your security.

156 posted on 03/15/2003 4:50:29 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Heavily armed, easily bored, and off my medication)
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To: GLDNGUN
Thank you for all your insights. It has been interesting reading.
157 posted on 03/15/2003 5:18:42 AM PST by patj
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To: Sabertooth; GLDNGUN
Thanks for the ping, Sabertooth.

GLDNGUN, thank you for an interesting post. There were some diplomatic curve balls in the runup to the first Gulf war, but nothing close to what we're seeing now. I hope your analysis proves to be correct.

158 posted on 03/15/2003 5:30:39 AM PST by AzJohn
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To: AzJohn

Here's the thing: I've noticed that the First Cavalry and the 2nd Armored Cavarly Regiment both got their alert orders rather late in the game.

I don't think they're going to Central Command at all. I think that they're going to the Pacific coast for possible deployment to Korea.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

159 posted on 03/15/2003 6:10:01 AM PST by section9 (The girl in the picture is Major Motoko Kusanagi from "Ghost In the Shell".)
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To: cactusSharp; FreeReign
bill clinton's POLICY: MAKE CERTAIN America was not "the biggest power on the block."
160 posted on 03/15/2003 6:38:30 AM PST by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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