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To: kesg
OK, all of your points on Patriot II are well taken, I even agree with many of them.

That said, Patriot I is a big fat POS, and our current politicians from all sides of the aisle voted it in without even reading the damn thing.

Now we have the obsessed freak Ashfcroft and fat-faced pro-death Ridge loving every minute of it. Meanwhile we let these scummy Islamists walk in and out of our country at will, and leave our borders wide open.

Yet we must look up the anus of every American citizen. After all, there may be a terrorist in there somewhere.

You wanna win the war on terror? Seal the borders and get rid of every male Arab non-citizen between the ages of 17 and 45. WOT over.

That would be too easy though, no power grabs and ego trips in that.

They all suck and can't keep anyone safe, get that though your head. They're having a blast incrementally ruining a free coutry.

18 posted on 03/14/2003 4:54:21 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
You wanna win the war on terror? Seal the borders and get rid of every male Arab non-citizen between the ages of 17 and 45. WOT over.

This proposal is a complete non-starter. It is impossible to "seal" a border consisting of thousands and thousands of miles of combined miles of land and coastline. This country is simply way too big. You might as well try stopping Niagra Falls with a sieve.

I would much rather take all the troops and personnel that such a job would require (which would be nowhere close to enough) and send them abroad to hunt down and exterminate the terrorists themselves. In this case, the best defense is a strong offense.

20 posted on 03/14/2003 5:19:34 PM PST by kesg
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To: AAABEST
They all suck and can't keep anyone safe, get that though your head. They're having a blast incrementally ruining a free coutry.

Okay, I'll bite on this one, too. What specific freedoms do you think you have lost in your personal life since enactment of the first Patroit Act, and in what specific respects are you less safe today then you were on, say, September 10, 2001 as a result of the passage of that Act?

21 posted on 03/14/2003 5:21:48 PM PST by kesg
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To: AAABEST
Now we have the obsessed freak Ashfcroft and fat-faced pro-death Ridge loving every minute of it. Meanwhile we let these scummy Islamists walk in and out of our country at will, and leave our borders wide open.

That is precisely why I am against the cynically named Patriot Act. As long as the federal government wantonly leaves our borders wide open in this era of terrorism and permits mass immigration from every 3rd World Hellhole in this world this assault on our freedoms has ZERO credibility with me. Lest we need to be reminded, the Patriot Act does not address, in any material way, the underlying cause of domestic terrorism--i.e. just about anyone, from any country on earth, can easily enter America and evade our unenforced immigration laws.

What the patriot act really represents, is an acknowledgment by our government that it WILL NOT, against the wishes of the American People, put an end to the ongoing immigration circus in America. Rather IT IS saying it needs extra POLICE powers to investigate every warm body living here because it is unwilling to put America’s national security and sovereignty before political correctness or, more importantly, its constitutional obligation to defend the American People from all enemies “foreign and domestic”.

If the federal government was doing its level best to put an end to the immigration free for all by sealing our borders, dutifully enforcing its immigration laws and curtailing immigration from terrorist havens, I'd be much more receptive to allowing the government “temporary” extra powers to eliminate the threat of terrorism. At least this would show that our leaders are TRULY serious about removing the CAUSE of terrorism and that it is committed to putting the security of its people before the wacky politics of multiculturalism.

But of course our government refuses to perform its constitutional duties and take the responsible course of action. It is far easier for our leaders to acquiesce to political correctness and shove our security into a dark corner.

This ACT in my mind only proves that the federal government is transitioning into a tyrannical regime that is totally disconnected with the citizens of this nation and is, thus, becoming ever more illegitimate with each passing day.

110 posted on 03/16/2003 12:12:10 PM PST by WRhine
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