Forget the Plastic Sheets Words of Wisdom From An Armor Master

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[woofie]

I am leery of putting out information that comes via e-mail as I have been burned before ..but this looks reasonable .If you can de bunk it though, have at it

[docmcb]

There's a story on this guy in the current iisue of WORLD magazine (the Christian weekly news mag). He's basically correct and for real.

[EggsAckley]

Basically, the story make a lot of sense. Very timely. Thanks for posting it.

[notpoliticallycorewrecked]

I was given this same info through our military group.
The only thing that they added was that the enemy want to hurt you, not kill you because it takes three people out of the fighting arena when someone is injured over dead. A deceased soldier does not need assistance, but an injured soldier needs two other people to care for them.

[notpoliticallycorewrecked]

want = wants

[exhaustedmomma]

The article is posted here, at SierraTimes.

[BufordP]

The Real Deal, World Magazine

[renosathug]

Not the end of the world bump.

Fear breeds control.

[woofie]

The anthrax sent in the mail was enough to kill thousands but only a few died ...I think that is his point

[Atlas Sneezed]

"This is almost entirely wrong. The idea that basic hygiene can protect you against aerosolized anthrax is just plain stupid."

Other than this one criticism, why do you say "almost entirely wrong"?

[razorback-bert]

New York Tribune, April 27, 1915

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Boulogne, April 25.-- The gaseous vapor which the Germans used against the French divisions near Ypres last Thursday, contrary to the rules of The Hague Convention, introduces a new element into warfare. The attack of last Thursday evening was preceded by the rising of a cloud of vapor, greenish gray and iridescent. That vapor settled to the ground like a swamp mist and drifted toward the French trenches on a brisk wind. Its effect on the French was a violent nausea and faintness, followed by an utter collapse. It is believed that the Germans, who charged in behind the vapor, met no resistance at all, the French at their front being virtually paralyzed.

Everything indicates long and thorough preparation for this attack. The work of sending out the vapor was done from the advanced German trenches. Men garbed in a dress resembling the harness of a diver and armed with retorts or generators about three feet high and connected with ordinary hose pipe turned the vapor loose towards the French lines. Some witnesses maintain that the Germans sprayed the earth before the trenches with a fluid which, being ignited, sent up the fumes. The German troops, who followed up this advantage with a direct attack, held inspirators in their mouths, thus preventing them from being overcome by the fumes.

In addition to this, the Germans appear to have fired ordinary explosive shells loaded with some chemical which had a paralyzing effect on all the men in the region of the explosion. Some chemical in the composition of those shells produced violent watering of the eyes, so that the men overcome by them were practically blinded for some hours.

The effect of the noxious trench gas seems to be slow in wearing away. The men come out of their nausea in a state of utter collapse. Some of the rescued have already died from the aftereffects. How many of the men left unconscious in the trenches when the French broke died from the fumes it is impossible to say, since those trenches were at once occupied by the Germans.

This new form of attack needs for success a favorable wind. Twice in the day that followed the Germans tried trench vapor on the Canadians, who made on the right of the French position a stand which will probably be remembered as one of the heroic episodes of this war. In both cases the wind was not favorable, and the Canadians managed to stick through it. The noxious, explosive bombs were, however, used continually against the Canadian forces and caused some losses.

[pilgrim]

 

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clear, Biological, and Chemical Agents Primer by SFC Red Thomas ...
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Links via Google. It appears this is legit.......

 

[gaijin]

Almost all of what he says is true.

But Anthrax is different different from almost all other agents, which are usually quite labile. Anthrax is VERY stable in soil. This is so because it forms spores that survive harsh conditions that would otherwise would kill it --imagine a pilot ejecting out of a burning aircraft, and you get the idea. As a result, Anthrax (Anthracis bacillus) survives for years --decades even. Kicked up into the air again, it can easily kill.

During WWII the British hatched a scheme to eliminate the German's supply of meat using anthrax against livestock.

The island that they used to test the stuff (which they didn't end up using) is STILL uninhabited. In an effort to clean things up, the authorities just about sank the island in formaldehyde, and it wasn't declared fit for humans to go there until about 12 years ago.

But people are still too afraid to go there, and so they don't.

[RnMomof7]

Given perfect conditions for an attack less than 10% of the people there were injured. 60 Minutes once had a fellow telling us that one drop of nerve gas could kill a thousand people,well he didn't tell you the thousand dead people per drop was theoretical. <

This is an important point...The biggest success that terriorism has is not in the deaths they produce but in the fear they engender.

[RightWhale]

This article looks okay. If Iraqi artillery lays down a pattern of mustard gas on your street in Duluth, you will be in trouble. Otherwise, if your feet work you can get to safety fairly easily.

[RedQuill]

Most of it sounds reasonable, except this nagging little voice in the back of my mind asks "HOW many Kurds were killed by the stuff?".

[woofie]

bump

[archy]

VX is the gas of choice because it is the most potent....

True through the late 1950s and early '60s, but not so even as I took my own first advanced CBR/NBC courses in 1966 and 1967. Check out the Soviet advances of that and later periods, Novichok 5 and 7 or *Substance 33*, for example, estimated to be as much as 10 times more lethal than VX.

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