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To: sam
America and Israel IS facing the SAME enemy. Its just too bad Pat Buchanan and his fellow paleo-cons choose to ignore what's in front on them. And just in case they think we're fighting Israel's war, here's a new flash for them: the 9-11 terrorists didn't attack America cause they hated Israel; they attacked America because their leaders told them America WAS the enemy.
20 posted on 03/11/2003 12:37:39 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
the 9-11 terrorists didn't attack America cause they hated Israel;

Yes and no. They attacked us because we have supported Israel with massive foreign aid and votes and vetos in the UN. Arabs see the relative sizes of the two countries and assume Israel is doing our bidding. They do not understand that in a democracy an organized minority can wield great influence.

54 posted on 03/11/2003 3:11:58 PM PST by Seti 1
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To: goldstategop
"American and Israel IS [sic] facing the SAME enemy. Its just too bad that Pat Buchanan and his fellow paleo-cons choose to ignore what is in front of them. And just in case they think that we are fighing Israel's war, here's a news flash for them: the 9-11 terrorists didn't attack america because cause they hated Israel, they attacked america because their leaders told them that america was the enemy"

Two points:

1) The US and Israel are not fighting the same enemy. We are fighting a band of Islamic maniacs...the Israelis are locked in a tribal war with the entire Palestinian people. While Osama's crowd has no legitimate grievance against the US, the Palestinians have plenty of legitimate grievances against Israel. Every civilized person on the planet believes that Osama is evil. Most of the people on the planet have sympathy with the Palestinians, even if they disagree with some factions' terrorist tactics. This false equation of the situations is one of the underlying propaganda falsehoods behind this upcoming Iraqi war.

2) While you may say that the 9-11 terrorists didn't attack america because they hate Israel...that certainly isn't what they say. Osama clearly stated numerous times that his reasons for the attack were:

1) Our support of Israel

2) Our troops in Saudi Arabia

3) The sanctions against Iraq

While I deny that any of these are legitimate justification for what he did, your assertion that our support of Israel was unrelated to the events of 9-11 is clearly false.

60 posted on 03/11/2003 6:33:48 PM PST by quebecois
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To: goldstategop
The 9/11 terrorists didn't attack America because they hated Israel,they attacked America because their leaders told them America was the enemy.

Well,on one hand that's true and on the other,there is reason to believe that our support of Israel was related to why they attacked the World Trade Towers. Osama bin Laden stated,shortly after the attack,that America was hated because Americans had 1)a consumerist mentality,2)a poor moral value system which Americans sought to impose on them,and 3)a knee-jerk response to support Israel,in all matterss related to the mideast.

I remember reading his words as everyone was frantically putting their spin on why we were attacked which usually ended up with attributing it to their jealousy of our standard of living and our position as a world power.

I wondered why we did not at least look at why he said they attacked us,but sadly I realized that we,as a nation,are not introspective.

86 posted on 03/27/2003 11:57:06 PM PST by saradippity
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