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I'm waiting on how a corporation exists without the state to create it, then when finished we can move on to land deeds, trusts and, copyrights and other intangibles.

If you are going to state a premise like the state doesn't create property rights at least back it up.

I think you're being awfully nitpicky here. Since we have the death penalty, abortion would you say that the state GIVES us our right to life?

If the state disappeared tomorrow, I don't lose my right to freedom. I might have to fight for it, I might have to die for it, perhaps a person will ignore my "rights" and enslave me anyway. But I wouldn't have to accept that enslavement as moral and believe that I deserved such a fate. It would be moral for me to take any action necessary to regain my freedom because I always retain the right to be free.

I think you're being awfully nitpicky here. Since we have the death penalty, abortion would you say that the state GIVES us our right to life?

Different issue. I was countering complaints by you and others that the state cannot create property rights. That is certainly a false premise. The state cannot create life but it can and does create property and does and can attribute certain rights and obligations to the owner.

I used the corporation as an example because it is easily the most obvious. Corporations are a legal fiction created by state charter.

If the state disappeared tomorrow, I don't lose my right to freedom.

Yes, but all the corporations domiciled in that state would loose their existance. All of the property holders of real property would loose their title to it. Alone without the state your rights to enjoy property are fully dependent on your ability to carry and protect.