I was only arguing that one could not prove consciousness by the level of brain development or actions of a fetus or any other organism. I said, "Reactions and movement, in themselves, are not indicators or consciousness."
You said: You have kids Hank? My grandchildren knew their fathers voice when they were born..when He spoke they turned to look at him..they knew my daughters voice and were soothed when she talked to them..
What does that prove? Late one winter night, one of my children got out of bed, came into my bedroom and told me he had to go outside. I was barely awake, and by the time I realized what he was saying, he had managed to leave the house by way of the kitchen door.
Naturally, I jumped out of bed, ran to the kitchen, opened the door, and there stood a totally bewildered child in the snow.
He had no idea how he got outside, and absolutely no recollection of what he had done, because he was sound asleep, totally unconscious, the whole time.
Actions do not prove consciousness, period.
Hank
Hank a person lacking consciousness can not make purposeful movement (such as avoiding a needle or experience learning as in knowing the voice of a father).
Perhaps you favor "taking care of " the people in comas that are truely unconscious
What you were saying is not to be concerned with the idea that the unborn may suffer
For a man that believes he lives a sinless life you take murder too lightly