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To: Pharmboy
My only heartburn with the position of the rabbi is the phrasing of the request.

"...make certain that his new film on the last 12 hours in the life of Christ does not portray the Jews as collectively responsible for the crucifixion."

Considering the Abrahamic, Davidic, and Mosaic Covenants, it need to be well noted that the Jews did reject Jesus as Christ. The New Covenant now provides for all men, Jew and Gentile alike.

Perhaps it is better to say the Jews of the day, especially the Sanhedrin were fully liable for the death of Jesus Christ. Christ allowed himself to be taken and crucified by remaining obedient to the Father. Nevertheless, it was indeed the Jews who offered that sacrifice.

Perhaps this best exemplifies the protocol of proper sacrifice. Jesus held the royal title as the high priest and offered the Perfect Lamb remaining faithful and obedient to the Father. The active slaughter of the Lamb came at the hands of man, and just as liable as the centurions or Pilate, were those who were afforded the opportunity to allow Jesus, the Christ, to be released and instead chose Barrabas.

The holding of court at night to decide a capital charge by the Jewish authorities obviously was intentional as was the tone of accusation against Jesus from the last Supper onwards through the Ressurection.

If the meaning of Vatican II doesn't match the implication, then perhaps Gibson's film will help to clarify the issue.

71 posted on 03/08/2003 5:30:22 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr
Lets go one step further, Psalms 22 foretells of Christ's death. The words in Psalm 22: 1 "My GOD, my GOD, why hast thou forsaken me?" were the words of Christ on the cross, sending us back to see this even though it was written hundred of years before it happened.

The Psalms thus are prophecy written for verification of Christ and since no New Testment written yet where Christ taught from.

Psalms 22: 8 "He trusted on the LORD that He would deliver him: Let Him deliver him, seeing He delighted in him."

Who was it that said these words, check out Matt. 27:43, Mark 15:29, Luke 23:35

Matthew 27:41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking Him, with the scribes and elders, said. v42 "He saved others; Himself He cannot save. If He be the King of Israel, let Him now come down from the cross, and we will believe Him.

v43 "He trusted in God; let Him deliver Him now, if He will have Him; for He said, 'I am the Son of God.'".



75 posted on 03/08/2003 5:50:20 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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