[Gophack]

I don't know my history well, but it seems to me that Jesus died for our SALVATION, regardless of whether it was the Jews sending him to be crucified or not. Jesus would never have been crucified if it weren't for Adam and Eve's fall, and humanity's subsequent love-affair with sin.

And 11 of the apostles turned their back on Jesus during the Passion, I believe John was the only apostle there at the cruxificion.

We are all responsible for Jesus' death. His saving and selfless act ransomed us from our sins so that we might have eternal life in the glory of our Lord.

Frankly, the Jews conviction of Jesus was incidential. Besides, Jesus WAS a Jew; Mary, the Blessed Virgin, WAS a Jew. And John, and so-on.

Leave it to the media to twist Gibson's film to make it sound anti-semitic, and then have the Jewish community get up in arms about it, frankly for no good reason.

[savedbygrace]

The truth is that the Bible declares all to be guilty of crucifying Jesus:

Acts 4:26-28 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

But verse 28 makes clear when you read it in context that it was God's plan that all this happen as it did. It had to happen in order for salvation to be available for all who will humble themselves, repent, and accept this sacrifice for sin.

[montag813]

I don't know my history well, but it seems to me that Jesus died for our SALVATION, regardless of whether it was the Jews sending him to be crucified or not.

I have never understood why people get pissed off at Jews for Jesus' crucifixion, since without it what do you have? It's not like Jesus was looking for a corner office and a cushy pension from the Pharrisees. And besides, he was a Jew. Jews and Catholics alike should get over it, and focus on the true enemy...Islam.

[lodwick]

Perfectly well stated - thank you.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

..'MEL GIBSON - America's new JOHN WAYNE under attack...

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