The Art Education Problem

ART Renewal Center ^ | FR Post 3-7-03 | Don Gray

[vannrox]

Right on.

[ClearCase_guy]

There was a story in the Wall St Journal yesterday that made me think about this very topic. The story was about Samuel Waksal, founder of ImClone Systems (Martha Stewart financial scandal). But the angle was the selling of Art. The picture included a canvas by Mark Rothko known as "Untitled (Plum and Brown)"

What Rothko did, was paint an entire rectangular canvas Plum colored. Then, he painted a slightly smaller square which was Brown colored.

This was sold for $3.5M. I only which I had the skill to make art that was so fabulously beautiful (and profitable).

[ClearCase_guy]

which = wish

[Sabatier]

I couldn't agree more. I strongly recommend that any young aspiring artist avoid the art schools. Go find a good teacher, an artist whose work you admire, someone who is willing to teach the craft. There are many ateliers - private studios - and you can learn so much more there. There are also workshops in most cities where you can learn from an accomplished artist. If you want a university degree get one in computer graphics or web design but if you want to learn how to paint, study with a master painter. Your money will be much better spent and you'll actually develop as an artist.

[ladylib]

My brother went to Cooper Union in NYC -- the school that if you're good enough to get in, your tuition is fully paid.

He says the same thing you do.

[u-89]

Too many art school graduates are ill-equipped to see the "art" in everyday life

Seeing art in everyday life is still taught - see Marcel Dumcamp's fountain below. Everyday objects are too often overlooked for their aesthetic qualites by the general public and only when taken out of context can they been "seen". By the way this piece of "modern art" was done in 1917.

[Sabatier]

That's interesting to hear. I learned the hard way what a waste of time art school tends to be because the teachers have such a narrow agenda. A lot of artists make a decent living as painters but you would never know it when you go to art school, because they don't teach any real skills. It's the artists who know how to draw and paint who make a living doing portraits, landscapes, illustrations, etc., but don't assume art school will teach those skills!

[Mamzelle]

Do-it-yourself art education....I agree with the author of this article that art profs seldom bother to impart real techniques, but are famous for their nastiness and criticism. The implication is that your art should arise without any technical help from a master, that the master only dispenses contempt when you fail.

Private ateliers are the best answer, but anyone aspiring to create art can find a helpful master at a well-stocked book dealer/superstore like Barnes and Noble.

You would be AMAZED at the beauty and helpfulness of these art technique books! They are fabulous galleries of art even for those not exploring technique. For instance, the humble colored pencil is the best recipient of this blessing. Astonishing what can be done with this inexpensive media. I encourage any Freeper reading this who just loves to look at excellent, realistic, contemporary art to peruse what is offered on your nearby bookshelf.

[ladylib]

I also read somewhere that a lot of artists don't even know how to draw.

[Sabatier]

You are so right. Also, more and more museums and galleries are on-line with parts of their collections and that's worth checking out, too.

[pollwatcher]

The visual fine arts have become far less relevant after the invention of photography. Artists were no longer the primary recorders of history and culture. They are left only with aesthetic premutations to keep art interesting to themselves.
Others seek to regain relevance (and attention) by shock tactics, but it is all a farce - they're only preaching to the gallery-going choir. They will never approach the socio-political impact of a photo journalist, documentary producer, or even the most hack editorial cartoonist.
But, on a slightly different track, art education in the PRIMARY grades has been linked to better performance and visualization skills in "practical" disiplines, such as math. So, let the kiddies splash poster paints around and screen leaf outlines to take home. (or, as a comic once said, "I went to a Children's Art Museum, all the paintings were displayed on refrigerators!")

[u-89]

Actually there is a big difference between non-representational painting i.e. abstract art and what is currently chic in high cultural circles. The abstract painters of old were trained in classical art and excelled at it but they learned from experience that there is beauty in simple color and shape relationships and beauty in the medium itself and in some cases applied paint to the canvas in a manner which allowed the qualities of the paint to be appreciated in their own right.

Today however there is a strong movement of anti-art. This grew from the communist/leftist desire to politicize every aspect of life in order to undermine the culture. Today the political statement is everything. In short there is a focus not on inspiration drawn from beauty but dwelling on the ugly for political purposes, the more outrageous the better as long as it undermines traditional values. Also egalitarianism run amuck has led to the relaxing of certain levels of standards to throwing them out all together.

[Mamzelle]

Off my own shelf: "Encyclopedia of Colored Pencil Techniques" and "Encyclopedia of Illustration Techniques." The Martin publisher has a series of straighforward but beautiful technique books...

These books are not the cheapest reading in the store, but compared to one worthless course at your local prestigious university...eighteen bucks isn't too bad. And I have sat down at B&N and done some studying at their expense...but I *did* buy lots of coffee.

[Sabatier]

Drawing is one of those skills you can work at for a lifetime and always keep improving!

[Sabatier]

Way to go:)

[Sam Cree]

ARC is an interesting and informative website.

I majored in art in college, with a specialty in painting, 35 years ago. However, it was just as you guys say, nothing was really taught, they looked for "cutting edge" originality, but did not give students the tools needed for even basic art. Not to mention that timelessness is what should be the goal, not some trendy "cutting edge" bs that will be gone tomorrow.

So, though I had meant to make it my career, I drifted into another field. 34 years later, though, I am back to painting, and finding by myself, in later life, the education that I missed the first time around. I am doing this through workshops, searching out the right profs at local colleges, and research through reading, and even the internet. I am learning to see, to draw, to understand the human figure, color palette, establishing value, traditional indirect glazing methods, all the things that nobody even mentioned much in college, back in the late 60's.

I am tremendously excited by all this, my wife of 29 years says she has never seem me happier in all our years together.

I am much interested in chatting about art with any freepers who are also interested.

BTW, good article.

[Sam Cree]

I am always kind of amazed at the peristent leftism of the art community. For a segment of society that should prize free expression, they rarely fail to embrace a political philosophy that demands authoritarianism and regulation.

I much prefer representational stuff, but agree that all art, or all nature for that matter, can be broken down to abstract shapes and forms. So purely abstract art, IMO, cannot necessarily be dismissed out of hand, it is very capable of being beautiful in its own right.

[Wil H]

see Marcel Dumcamp's fountain below...

That would be Marcel Duchamp, not Dumcamp

Duchamp was a member of the Dadaist movement, one of who's aims were to ridicule the snobbery of the art intelligensia. They were nihilists and anarchists.

That piece of work you highlighted was a "piss take" in more than one sense.

[justshutupandtakeit]

You can't blame the collapse of art on the commies. Their officially acceptable art was very traditional. Stale, lifeless but traditional. The great artists who lived under Soviet rule: Malevich, Kandinsky, and the Suprematists either wound up in the gulag, officially disappoved or fled. Proletarian Realism may be crappy but much better than Rothko, Pollack, or the other charletans we are cursed with.
The Nazis also hated modern art.

All modern art is not ridiculous even when abstract or non-objective.

[Sam Cree]

I do believe the Nazis had quite an appreciation for Art Deco, which was pretty definitely modern(e).