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To: Coop
There is know way of predicting when someone which we send arms to will turn terrorist against us. Did you yourself foresee this happening? Did you have some sort of special insight into OBL? Should we not have helped the Afghani rebels fight off the then Soviet Army seeking to expand its own borders? Anyone can have 20/20 hindsight...
214 posted on 03/07/2003 7:50:16 AM PST by jaugust
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To: jaugust
Did you have some sort of special insight into OBL?

As a matter of fact, I do. Many people don't know this, but he loves Spam!

224 posted on 03/07/2003 7:53:49 AM PST by Coop
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To: jaugust
There is know way of predicting when someone which we send arms to will turn terrorist against us. Did you yourself foresee this happening? Did you have some sort of special insight into OBL? Should we not have helped the Afghani rebels fight off the then Soviet Army seeking to expand its own borders? Anyone can have 20/20 hindsight...

There were many in the 80s who were saying we need to be careful, and they were partially right. Yes, we needed to help contain the Soviet Union (and I have to think Afghanistan contributed a bit to the fall - Soviet civillians attitudes started turning during that time).

Here's the kicker, and we've known this for years ,and we are collectively ignoring it now in our quest to conquer the Middle East - these people hate each other. They hate their neighbors, they hate Joe Blow down the street, they hate the people in the province next to theirs. They have been fighting each other for thousands of years. They have collective memories going back to long before Christ walked the earth. They remember and are still upset about battles that were over a thousand years ago.

Most of the nations in the Middle East should not even be nations. It's like we have a bunch of potential Yugoslavia's waiting to go off. There are people in tribes that have fought each other for hundreds, even thousands of years, and the Brits and the French stuck them in countries together and their anger at each other is still there and still surfaces every now and then (just look at the tribes/groups that are opposed to Hussein - they don't necessarily oppose him becuase he's evil - they oppose him because he came from such and such tribe or group, or he gassed this tribe or group. Afghanistan - as soon as the Soviets were gone, they turned on one another, hell as soon as the US started going on, you had a semi-large civil war break out into full-scale.

I worry that Iraq is a civil war just waiting to cut loose, and we don't normally do well in other countries' civil wars. They weren't kidding when they said they would need massive amounts of US troops after we took over Iraq to keep the peace. The place is a powder keg, and there are plenty of people, Kurds, etc. waiting to get some revenge against Saddams's tribe/group.

It boils down to we just need to get out of the Middle East. These people hate each other and do a damn good job of killing each other off, and when you have a bunch of religious nuts willing to take their own lives in their quest to take yours, it's just better to stay away. I don't want my grand-kids to have to wear flak jackets to school and have soldiers in the malls and in the streets. We need to get our oil elsewhere and stop a lot of the people from over there immigrating or visiting on vacation.

259 posted on 03/07/2003 8:10:36 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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