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Pope writes of his death, rules out resignation in epic poem
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Posted on 03/06/2003 6:33:24 PM PST by chance33_98



Pope writes of his death, rules out resignation in epic poem

March 7 2003

Pope John Paul has written about his own death for the first time and indirectly ruled out his resignation in a three-part epic poem published yesterday.

In the work, entitled Roman Triptych, he wrote that the next papal election would take place after his death.

Meditating on the role he has played for the past 25 years, since being elected to the highest power in the Catholic church on October 16, 1978, he wrote: "And so it will be again, when it becomes necessary, after my death."

On his own death, the seriously ill 82-year-old pontiff wrote: "That which was well-formed, will be misshapen-shapen. That which was alive - is now lifeless. That, which was beautiful - is now ugly desolation. I do not die completely, when that which is in me lasts on indestructibly."

In the 11-page work, which is written in parts in prose and in parts in verse, the pope also meditates on present-day Iraq, the ancient homeland of Abraham.

However, he did not go into the looming threat of war.

Translation of excerpts of papal poetry

Excerpts from the official English translation of Pope John Paul's Roman Tryptich.

Part I The Stream

What are you saying to me, mountain stream? Where, in which place, do we meet? Do you meet me who is also passing - just like you. ... If you want to find the source, you have to go up, against the current, tear through, seek, don't give up, you know it must be somewhere here. Where are you, source? Where are you, source?!

Part II Meditations on the Book of Genesis At the threshold of the Sistine Chapel

Those to whom the care of the legacy of the keys has been entrusted gather here, allowing themselves to be enfolded by the Sistine's colours, by the vision left to us by Michelangelo - so it was in August, and then in October, of the memorable year of the two Conclaves, and so it will be again, when the need arises after my death.

Fulfillment - Apocalypsis

The End is as invisible as the Beginning.

The universe emerged from the Word, and returns to the Word.

Right at the heart of the Sistine Chapel, the artist shows this invisible End

in the visible drama of the Judgment -

And this invisible End became visible as the highpoint of clarity:

ominia nuda et aperta ante oculos Eius.

The words recorded by Matthew, here become the painter's vision:

"Come, you who are blessed ... depart from me, you accursed" ...

And so the generations pass - naked they come into the world and naked they return to the earth from which they were formed.

"From dust you came, and to dust you shall return"; all that had shape into shapelessness.

What was alive is now dead;

all that was beautiful is now the ugliness of devastation.

And yet I do not altogether die,

what is indestructible in me remains!

(From the Latin: Everything is disclosed and revealed before his eyes.)


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1 posted on 03/06/2003 6:33:24 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
Go ahead and flame me. Translation: In the final stages mental flatulence can often be mistaken as deep lucid thinking - may God help us if that is true!
2 posted on 03/06/2003 6:45:16 PM PST by kcar
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To: chance33_98
Most of this is pretty dark stuff. I'm surprised to read so little of Christ and the healing power of the Gospel. One would think he'd be almost obsessed with those matters.

On the other hand, it shows he is very humble and human, maybe even "simple" (if such could be said of a man who knows as much as he).
3 posted on 03/06/2003 6:48:10 PM PST by Migraine
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To: Migraine
I love the Holy Father, but it is time for him to pass the hat.
4 posted on 03/06/2003 6:53:30 PM PST by annyokie (I love my MBA)
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To: chance33_98
If you want to find the source, you have to go up, against the current, ...

Like all experienced outdoorsmen with a well-developed sense of where to pitch camp, the Holy Father's keenly aware of the importance of a good water supply. The water to be sought above all is the highest water, water at its source: clean, clear, simple, and coolest where it springs from living Rock.

5 posted on 03/06/2003 7:09:57 PM PST by Romulus
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To: kcar
I'll bet you know quite a bit about mental flatulence. Fortunately there are those whose opinions are far more credible. Indeed, may God help you.

'Czeslaw Milosz, the leading Polish poet and Nobel Prize for literature winner, said: "There are many poets and many poems, but there are few poems of such profoundness.

"It is a conversation between man and God."'

source

6 posted on 03/06/2003 7:12:23 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: chance33_98
The Last Pope: Examining Nostradamus and Malachy (No. 288)

According to Malachy there are only two popes left to go.

http://www.logon.org/english/s/p288.html
7 posted on 03/06/2003 7:17:22 PM PST by TSgt (“If I do my full duty, the rest will take care of itself.” - General George S. Patton)
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Well - the Nobel Prize trumps all then.
8 posted on 03/06/2003 7:24:07 PM PST by kcar
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To: MikeWUSAF
Did you mean Malarchy?
9 posted on 03/06/2003 7:29:39 PM PST by kcar
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To: kcar
Let's see: Pope, or mental midget kcar? Pope, or kcar. Tough decision.
10 posted on 03/06/2003 7:33:34 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
Thanks for the unbridled endorsement! See there Papists!
11 posted on 03/06/2003 7:41:20 PM PST by kcar
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To: kcar
See there Papists!

Well at least you willingly exposed yourself as a knuckledragging bigot. I'll see ya at the next Klan rally.
12 posted on 03/06/2003 7:43:46 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Migraine
This stuff is very spiritual. The only people who will appreciate it are those who are also spirtual.

Another article

13 posted on 03/06/2003 7:47:23 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Conservative til I die
Sure. See you there. I'll be four sheets to the wind.

Let me know when the Pope endorses Peace - with Freedom!!!! - or renounces socialist denunciations of capitalism. Until then...
14 posted on 03/06/2003 7:51:06 PM PST by kcar
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To: kcar
I think his poor old brain died some time ago.
15 posted on 03/06/2003 7:52:32 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
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To: Migraine
Actually, while this pope was lucid and active, most of his writings and sermons involved discussions about Christ, acting more Christlike and follwing the teachings of Christ. The more I see of this guy, the more I like him. I think he is attended to by some very bad people who let the priests of the Church do evil things and for that I am devastated. However, it does not dull my love of Christ or the Catholic Church.
16 posted on 03/06/2003 7:53:36 PM PST by irish guard
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To: gcruse
And yet it is still infallible - whatever he says. AMAZING!
17 posted on 03/06/2003 8:00:21 PM PST by kcar
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To: Slyfox
The universe emerged from the Word, and returns to the Word.

How very Tao.

I'm not Catholic, but I love the Pope's poetry. It really moves me, especially his early stuff.

I would urge anybody who hasn't read his poetry, to do so. It's really incredible.

I guess the naysayers on this thread aren't into poetry.

18 posted on 03/06/2003 8:08:21 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: kcar
And yet it is still infallible - whatever he says.

That is not what Catholics believe about Papal Infallibility. The Pope is infallible on a narrow range of issues, under specific conditions--pretty much the same conditions under which a Baptist preacher believes himself to be infallible. Namely, when he is teaching what has been preached always and everywhere by those who have gone before him.

You have exposed yourself for the umpteenth time as a bigot.

19 posted on 03/06/2003 8:10:00 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: kcar
"And yet it is all infallible" --

Your ignorance of the Catholic faith is glaring. The teaching of infalliblity is only invoked on certian very specific issues of faith and morals -- e.g., Christ is the Son of God; Christ arose from the dead, etc...."

There have been very few papal pronouncements in the last 100 years that would even fall within the doctrine of infallibility.

The doctrine if infallibility does not mean, as you imply, that the Pope is perfoect or that he never sins or that everything he says is correct."

Please pass it on to others who make similar uniformed statements.

20 posted on 03/06/2003 8:12:57 PM PST by CWW
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