[L,TOWM]

Understood.

Let me give you a hypothetical:

Prisoner being interogated does'nt say $#!+ for hours. After one question the prosoner spits on or insults a tired and po'd S-2 that is being pounded on for results by the CO. Rifle butt goes into the gut, S-2 regains composure and that's it.

Does the S-2 deserve a CM and the stockade?

I ask this only because that is the limit of what abuse may have occured in this situation; some one that lost it or got out of hand for minute.

I believe it far more likely that the two guys who died were part of the prison riot in 11/01 or got hurt at the time they were being captured.

[Just another Joe]

Does the S-2 deserve a CM and the stockade?

Court martial and Stockade?
Perhaps not a court martial. Commanding officers punishment (Reduction in rank, half pay for two months) - maybe. Stockade - would depend on many things.

My point being that the scenario you describe isn't torture. It may not be quite the way it should be but it's not torture.

[FITZ]

I believe it far more likely that the two guys who died were part of the prison riot in 11/01 or got hurt at the time they were being captured.

Yes ---very likely that. Besides it would be easy enough to torture a Muslim without physically hurting them ----force feed them pig fat or something similar.