[Right_in_Virginia]

...we're painting Saddam into a corner,...

Are you sure? I don't remember threats of a veto from our allies before Gulf War I; or the Bush I administration unsure if it could get a resolution through the Security Council. Someone is in a corner, I'm just not sure it's Saddam. But, I can be convinced.

[Sabertooth]

Are you sure? I don't remember threats of a veto from our allies before Gulf War I; or the Bush I administration unsure if it could get a resolution through the Security Council. Someone is in a corner, I'm just not sure it's Saddam. But, I can be convinced.

Recheck what I said about win-win... UN irrelevancy isn't necessarily a loss.