Air Force Secretary reports 54 cases of rape, assault at Academy...

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[Thud]

That's not a bad idea.

[Ford Fairlane]

I figured I would get flamed, and I'll probably get more for this

I dont know anything about 53 of the 54 incidents, but I know at least one was the result of a female cadet offering to exchange favors with an upperclassman for preferential treatment.

No, I'm not going to name names, and for the record I think both parties involved should be dismissed from the academy.

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

The "women's movement"in the bathroom is behind this!I don't believe a word of it.

[Uncle Miltie]

"The U.S. Naval Academy."

I have repeatedly heard first hand accounts of how Navy Ships are sex-mobiles. Rape is common and unpunished, and consensual sex is rampant. I have heard of women who have taken dishonorable discharges to avoid continued un-controlled rape.

I'm as big a military booster as you will find. And, women in the military present challenges. But, friends, our daughters are there, and deserve better.

Services: Get A Grip!

[Gunrunner2]

>>. . .but I cannot imagine anything on this scale going on. . .<<

Agree.

I think what we may have here is an unhealthy dose of feminist rhetoric at work.

It is constantly reported that "harassment" comes in many forms, and eye contact can even count as harassment. That is why feminist usually say half of ALL women are victims of some sort of harassment (the other half are the feminists, no doubt).

A little more information is necessary here, like what does one consider "harassment?" In an organization I was in, we had a feminist that had the foulest mouth, but one day she decided some off-color remark (not directed at her) was inappropriate so she ran to the EEOC office. Of course, this skewed the numbers.

What I m saying is we must be careful when such claims are made and not rush and believe every darned word of this.

Remember, people, this is being reported by the media and the brass are scared and doing the Tail-hook Butt-Cover dance. . . .regardless of the validity of the allegations and regardless of the merit of the allegations.

Stand back, let the system work, and do not be surprised if you discover that many of these so-called harassment charges are not the result of a woman suffering true sexual harassment, but of a definitional problem spun out of control.

My gawd, and we are to have women serving as officers that cannot tell the difference between a boorish joke and true harassment? Are we to field officers that can't defend their sensitive self-esteem? We are to place our trust and security in the hands of officers that, on the one hand demand to be treated as one of the boys, and on the other hand cry when they are present when an off-color joke is made.

I was in a fighter squadron where the first female fighter pilot was stationed. Overnight we were no longer able to BE fighter pilots, no more rough and tumble insults and chest-thumping bar talk. No more were we allowed to maintain a "Hog Log," a racy and profane journal that described fights and engagements, boneheaded actions and silly screw-ups. Why? Because we were sensitive to offending the female fighter pilot.

So, we end up stomping out the warrior spirit and hypersensitive feminists rule.

I spent two years with the RAF in the UK. Great guys and gals. The RAF women retained their femininity (God bless them), but they also did not put up with any "harassment" and could hold their own. They did not cry and sue, they stood up and slapped down (rhetorically) the offending cad.

Hold off on judgment here, there is much more to this than "all males are bad and all women are victims."

[VMI70]

Bingo!

There sure are a lot of people around here taking this at face value--the usual suspects.

Here we go with another tailhook "scandal".
Who is next--the Army or the Marines? They haven't felt the full brunt of a "scandal" yet, as defined in present day terms.

[berserker]

Funny how this should get published TODAY of all days

How is this funny?

What day should information on rapes and sexual assaults at the USAF Academy be published? After all, the Academy forfeited any right to control this story by covering it up and protecting the (alleged) criminals in these cases.

[CatoRenasci]

I understand your concern and desire for more information. There was a thread a couple of weeks ago on this, where details of particular cases were reported and there was a fairly extensive discussion, including comments from some Cadets, AFA alumni, and some friends of cadets. As a VMI man, I want to encourage the warrior spirit, but when I was a cadet, the warrior spirit didn't mean mistreating women. Perhaps that was in part because of VMI being a very Southern institution, but I think it was more typical of the era.

[berserker]

the best change would be to not allow any women in the military

Great logic, a woman gets rape and your solution is to not allow any women in the military. That must be because:

1. The women are the cause of the rapes

2. Male USAF Academy Cadets cannot help themselves when women are around, and will rape unless the women are removed

Or am I missing something in your logic for bringing that up?

[af_vet_rr]

Second, the sexes don't need to be commingled in the service academies. The first priority needs to be service to the country, not social experimentation.

If they can't mingle together at college or one of the academies, then what's going to happen in the real world of the military where they have to rely on one another.

[berserker]

but women cry rape all the time, especially drunk girls at a college party with guilty consciences

The penalty for getting drunk is that you can be raped? Is that for males, too, in the New Air Force? (The later would be against regulations, I know, but I also thought rape of women was a violation of the UCMJ.)

[Illbay]

I know from personal experience that in all the men's restrooms at Rice University in Houston--which is as politically correct as any institution of higher learning south of the Mason-Dixon can possibly be--they have flyers on all the walls, warning men NOT to "sexually harrass" women, telling them what can be considered "harrassment," what can be considered "date rape," etc.

My wife told me that in the women's restrooms the notices are all about how to anonymously turn in a man for harrassment or "date rape".

[CatoRenasci]

Brother Rat, this one was reported a few weeks ago, the thread is:

Honor, Code and Betrayal at Air Force Academy

[CatoRenasci]

BAh, I can't link worth S$%6

http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm#html

[berserker]

how "rape" is defined on some campi

I don't know about you, but when the USAF says there were 54 rapes or sexual assaults, I don't think they are talking about university PC stuff. The USAF usually doesn't admit stuff like that unless they are pretty sure it happened.

It is really surprising how many people automatically think that female USAF cadets would be exagerating what happened to them.

[CatoRenasci]

Try Again:

Honor, Code and Betrayal At Air Force Academy

[berserker]

Link to USAF Academy Superintendent's statement concerning "issue of sexual assault." Nice way of putting it.

[Ford Fairlane]

when you were 20 - 21, if an 18 year old hottie offered you a "Monica" in exchange for a few small favors, what would you have done?

[Illbay]

For about two hundred years the military managed to struggle along, and get by without being sexually integrated.

It's just a hunch on my part, but I suspect they could make it that way in the future.

[Ford Fairlane]

I'm not condoning anyone's actions, I'm just saying this problem is going to happen anytime a few young women are put in any similar situation, as was predicted back when they were first allowed in the academies.