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Posted on 03/06/2003 10:29:19 AM PST by Maedhros
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To: BenR2
I don't really understand how this story as reported could happen.
How long of a period of time are we talking about here, and how many women, (not cases) are involved.?(I suspect all statistics)
When were these reported and what actions were taken?
This looks suspiciously like a bad, incomplete story and lack much in the way of facts.
To: Thud
Those SUPPOSED rape camps turned out to be HOAXS or lies by muslim bosnians against the Serbs in order to get public opinion on their side so they could set up a RADICAL muslim state in Europe.
Al queerda mujahadeen were helping them in their efforts to fight against the CHRISTIAN SERBS! The klintoonistas had some nerve calling Serbian troops rapists....
To: CatoRenasci
I spent six years in the U.S.Navy and never experienced sexual harrassment by any sailor.
However I was viciously raped and beaten off-base by an Air Force E-11.
The story is not a nice one as we both belonged to a group that infrequently socialized together and I happened to be friends with his wife, not him. To put it bluntly, I was assaulted without provocation. The clothing I wore that night was jeans, a pull-over cotton blouse (buttoned to the neck) and a baseball jacket - definitely no seductive message there. I was thirty years old, career-minded and had no interest in my friend's husband beyond being polite.
The only thing I can think of is that he was an angry, frustrated man who solved his problems through violence, and humiliating women made him feel strong and capable.
I'm bringing this up because teamwork is very important in the military. Guys like this are not capable of teamwork - not with men, not with women.
If they can be rooted out in the Academies, so be it. The Armed Forces with be the better for it.
To: goody2shooz
Did you report your attack?
To: Maedhros
Are we all assuming its man/ woman??
In the book Crossed Currents A book about woman in the Navy from 1917 to present. Woman stated that they felt safer sleeping in the mens barracks than there own because of lesbians.
To: Bush2000
It's important that there be real investigations and honest procedures. One of the Tailhook sows, when shown a photolineup, identified as her attacker a guy that wasn't at the "convention." There is a subset of vindictive "lie for profit" females.
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posted on
03/06/2003 11:45:30 PM PST
by
185JHP
( Brisance. Puissance. Resolve.)
To: Illbay
>>I would still doubt that the Air Force made these admissions before Congress if there wasn't something pretty ugly behind it.
I respectfully disagree.<<
And I agree with your disagreement.
I have seen Wash DC up close, and seen the way things operate there---it ain't pretty.
A few years back, in 2000, I had a letter published in The Washington Times wherein I made the case that the senior leadership of ALL military services are politically tainted. . .you only promote those that share your agenda. . .especially at the very high levels.
That said, the senior leadership in Wash DC are affected by politics, feminist or otherwise, and the Air Force, while much less PC than the Navy, is running to catch up.
This, IMHO, is a case where the Air Force has learned nothing from Tail-Hook and are rushing to judgment, trying to do an early mega mea-culpa in the hopes of averting a feminst seige on the Air Force. Surrendering before the battle begins, yeilding the field, letting the radical agendas rule.
Some other poster made a good point, fraternization is prohibited for both sex's, and when I spoke with a few instructors at the USAFA (one female), they told me that a few times, when caught, either by being caught in the act, but mostly from rumors of an affair, a female cadet said she felt "pressured" or "intimidated" into having sex. Ergo--rape.
Hype and emotions should be toned down here and let facts rule.
To: Gunrunner2
a female cadet said she felt "pressured" or "intimidated" into having sex. Ergo--rape. This is what I'm afraid of. The last thing I would expect of a female AFA cadet is "shrinking violet."
In fact, some of you may recall the case several years ago, of the two AFA cadets--one male and one female--who were having an affair, and for reasons I don't recall the female decided that they together should murder his ex-girlfriend back home in Texas.
The female cadet masterminded the whole thing, and the *****-whipped male went along with anything she asked of him including pulling the trigger.
Fortunately both of them are locked away for a very long time.
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posted on
03/07/2003 5:53:36 AM PST
by
Illbay
To: berserker
No no --you misunderstand me--concentual sex (ok as concentual as one can get with a few beers in them) often leads to morning after regrets by young girls-especially those that suffer guilt or regection afterwards.
The % of rapes is way beyond the average and an accusation of rape is not proof of rape.
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posted on
03/07/2003 6:10:26 AM PST
by
Destro
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To: berserker
Oh? the airforce academy is un-pc? Why because it has an air-force in its name?
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posted on
03/07/2003 6:12:14 AM PST
by
Destro
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To: Illbay
You have done it again! We finally totally agree on something. I think it happened once before, but I'm pretty sure it was in the initial thread on this subject.
Anyway, your post is exactly right. Another thing that I can't get over is the number of people here so proudly trumpeting that their daughters are interested in or have been appointed to the service academies.
Unlike them, I have enough sense not to let my daughter even entertain the thought of going to any military academy. It is both for her benefit and ours, who deserve to be protected by those physically, mentally and emotionally attuned to it.
Another point that hasn't been brought up, which I haven't researched, but does it not strike you that the 50 or so alleged incidents seem awfully high relative to the total number of cadets? I'll have to look at the numbers more closely, as mine is simply a gut reaction.
Good job on this thread. Most of the other replies read like the authors were disruptors from DU.
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posted on
03/07/2003 6:12:46 AM PST
by
VMI70
To: LenS; berserker
notorious for finding the truth-- I look for proof and an accusation is not proof.
PS: Where are all those pregnant Muslim women 9 months after the Serb rampaged? Did the UN clinics set up assembly line abortion clinics in Bosnia for these phantom victims?
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posted on
03/07/2003 6:17:22 AM PST
by
Destro
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To: George W. Bush
accusations of rape is not proof that rape happened.
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posted on
03/07/2003 6:18:47 AM PST
by
Destro
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To: berserker
typo correct version--No no --you misunderstand me-- consensual sex (ok as consensual as one can get with a few beers in them) often leads to morning after regrets by young girls-especially those that suffer guilt or rejection afterwards.
The % of rapes is way beyond the average and an accusation of rape is not proof of rape
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03/07/2003 6:25:47 AM PST
by
Destro
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To: VMI70
I admit that I have never accepted the "men and women are exactly equal and can do the same job equally well" argument. Nor do I believe that makes me a troglodyte.
Rather, I simply believe that there is a REASON we are made differently.
I want my daughter to obtain a good education. However, I continually point out to her that the highest role to which she could aspire is one which no man could ever possibly do--that of wife and mother.
It is up to her, of course, to determine which way she should go, but I still believe that. I don't believe that her destiny is to fight the country's enemies. And in fact, I don't think that even the social engineers who have brought us to this pass even care about our military effectiveness; they simply see it as one more step in their goal of a "unisex" society.
BTW, I don't think that those who disagree with this view here on this thread are "disrupting." There is simply a wide divergence of opinion on many such questions here on FR.
The main difference between FR and some place like DU is that there you will NOT see much diversity of opinion.
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posted on
03/07/2003 6:30:48 AM PST
by
Illbay
To: Destro
Did the UN clinics set up assembly line abortion clinics in Bosnia for these phantom victims? Don't discount the possibility.
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posted on
03/07/2003 6:31:26 AM PST
by
Illbay
To: VMI70
Unlike them, I have enough sense not to let my daughter even entertain the thought of going to any military academy. It is both for her benefit and ours, who deserve to be protected by those physically, mentally and emotionally attuned to it.I'm disgusted by many in this thread, who think that the men in this nation's military are a bunch of rapists-in-waiting, and that they won't allow their daughters, etc. to be around soldiers, sailors, airmen, even cadets.
If you live near a base, there are soldiers, sailors, and airmen walking amongst you. Are you keeping your daughters and wives locked up in the house "for her benefit and hours". Your wives/daughters/etc. are more likely to be raped by your next door neighbor or a co-worker than somebody in the military.
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I don't buy into the "it's the victim's fault for being there, and if the rapist weren't exposed to a woman they wouldn't rape them" bs, and I don't buy into the "I can't trust my daughter around soldiers/sailors/airmen" bs. Every male in my family going back to World War I and several of the females have all served in this nation's military, and for those of you who haven't served let me tell you something - you will not find more honorable people anywhere else. Yes, there are bad apples, but much fewer than the general population, and for you all to sit there and spout off your "I can't trust my daughter around the military" bs is just disgusting.
To: Illbay
Don't discount the possibility.The Vatican suspended it's symbolic funding of UNICEF over the UN's provision of RU-486 to rape victims in Bosnia.
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posted on
03/07/2003 8:41:54 AM PST
by
Hoplite
To: af_vet_rr
I has nothing to do with the fact that they are military. It has to do with the fact--which has been true from the time of Adam and Eve--that men and women are attracted to one another, and they are weak.
These days, it's even less likely they'll be "strong" because of two generations of the sexual revolution.
As I said before, why do you think that up until a generation ago, men and women were always separated in certain situations? This denial of human nature is almost amusing.
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posted on
03/07/2003 8:49:09 AM PST
by
Illbay
(Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
To: 185JHP
It's important that there be real investigations and honest procedures.
I agree. The military is all about expediency. They don't like trials. They're too used to one-way communication down the chain-of-command. Quite often, when they hold a tribunal, they already know how they're going to rule. But they're obligated to go through the motions in the interest of "justice". And when you have an officer whose next stripe is riding on the efficiency with which he dispatches problems -- even if those problems involve serious things like peoples' lives -- it's not a recipe for positive individual outcomes. It's always easier to get rid of an issue than address it.
One of the Tailhook sows, when shown a photolineup, identified as her attacker a guy that wasn't at the "convention." There is a subset of vindictive "lie for profit" females.
I have witnessed this at Annapolis. It's sad.
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